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I support abortion because I don't think rapists should be allowed to be fathers
#11
(12-07-2025, 02:32 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: Every pregnancy that is a result of rape should be terminated. Nothing anyone can say will ever make me feel otherwise.

I'm sorry but I've just gotta' ask .... are you punking us?  
Please tell me that you are.
#12
(12-07-2025, 02:29 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: I don't see how you are an interested party in the matter. Why should the woman, man, or unborn child care at all about how you feel?
I'm not asking the rapist or victim to care how I feel. 

I'm consoled though by the statistics that 50% of pregnancies resulting from rape are terminated by induced abortion in the US.

The rapist must not only be deprived of his freedom but the privilege of knowing he has a child somewhere in the world.
#13
(12-07-2025, 02:16 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: Even if they are never allowed to see their offspring there is still a chance that as an adult the child that was the product of rape will reach out to their biological father and develop a bond with them. That is a complete slap on the face to socially awkward men such as myself who were never given the chance by women to become a father. I don't think the lives of male rapists should be allowed to have meaning by knowing they are the father of a child anyway.

I know bioethics is beyond the purview of this forum but I have no other platform on which to express this opinion. I'll always support a woman's right to abort her child and in a slightly perverse sort of way that makes me a feminist.

So what I'm saying is in the event of impregnation by rape - abortion should be mandatory.

Yeah, that argument is rooted in spite, not ethics.

A woman's reproductive choices are her own concern.

But your resentment toward "socially awkward men" has nothing to do with justice or biology.

Children are not moral tools.

Something you should really keep in mind.

And all rapist should be held accountable for their crime.

But to blame their offspring for somehow existing is off the page....
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#14
(12-07-2025, 02:38 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: I'm sorry but I've just gotta' ask .... are you punking us?  
Please tell me that you are.
Not at all. 

If you don't wanna accept that I don't know what else I can do for you.
#15
(12-07-2025, 02:39 PM)andy06shake Wrote: Yeah, that argument is rooted in spite, not ethics.

A woman's reproductive choices are her own concern.

But your resentment toward "socially awkward men" has nothing to do with justice or biology.

Children are not moral tools.

Something you should really keep in mind.

And all rapist should be held accountable for their crime.

But to blame their offspring for somehow existing is off the page....

I'm just saying I support a woman's right to abort if the pregnancy is a product of rape. Rapists should not be allowed to become fathers of their own genetic offspring.
#16
(12-07-2025, 02:43 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: I'm just saying I support a woman's right to abort if the pregnancy is a product of rape.
... but you don't support her right to keep her own child if she wishes to.
Makes you as bad as the rapist.   
Probably worse since death is involved.
#17
(12-07-2025, 02:32 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: Every pregnancy that is a result of rape should be terminated. Nothing anyone can say will ever make me feel otherwise.

It's not what you say that counts.

It's the woman carrying the child inside her that has to make that choice.... 

Claiming support for abortion while relishing the misfortune of women and children is morally warped imho.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#18
(12-07-2025, 02:35 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: Murder the child because of the sins of the father.
Okay ... so why stop at rape?
Why not cut off the hands of children who have fathers that are thieves?
Why not murder the children of murderers?
Why not castrate children of child molesters?
Why not beat the children of wife beaters?
See .... you don't make sense.

We're running the risk of getting into a more generalised debate about abortion. I'm pro-choice and like most who are pro-choice I don't consider abortion even late abortion to be murder. You might want to read A Defense of Abortion by philosopher Judith Jarvis Thomson.
#19
(12-07-2025, 02:43 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: I'm just saying I support a woman's right to abort if the pregnancy is a product of rape. Rapists should not be allowed to become fathers of their own genetic offspring.

It's how you are saying it, stealth blimp.

I really don't even know where to begin....
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#20
(12-07-2025, 02:45 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: ... but you don't support her right to keep her own child if she wishes to.
Makes you as bad as the rapist.   
Probably worse since death is involved.

No I don't think she should be allowed to carry the pregnancy to term. That is rewarding the rapist criminal with a genetic legacy he doesn't deserve. 

Also as abortion is legal in most of the civilised world saying I'm worse than the rapist for having an opinion makes you sound like a religious whacko.