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How the corruption of science has impacted public perception.
#51
I don't know what is causing the high uptick in autism, there have been so many changes in diets and chemicals used that it is hard to determine which ones are causing the increase.

I read a summary of whether incedents of autism were increasing not long ago.  The new diagnosed autisms are up way more than they should be even with subtracting the new types they now diagnose and the increase in recognition of all the types.  It has still almost doubled when accounting for all these things, plus some of those they discounted by new means may also be newly acquired from changes in the environment, which includes vaccines, the use of too much antibiotics which alters the ability of the some of the microbiome to stop it.  A llot of chemicals in food could also be doing it.

Autism risk is a genetic disease, but that disease never has to manifest.  It is tied to metabolism and the immune system being off.  Two kids with the same genetics who eat different....one more naturally acclimated to their ancestral diet, and one eating the new diet in this country....could have very different progression of the condition.  Same with antibiotics, notice they cut down giving antibiotics a lot to people?  That is because a while back they learned some of those microbes in our gut keep us from getting many chronic diseases and conditions, one of which is autism spectrum disorder.  The research I read came from a predominent medical research company that compared multiple research articles to conclude their associations.

I read a real lot of research from predominant science and medical sites.  But to blame vaccines is not right, in some cases multiple vaccines might cause the progression, but so can changes in the chemistry of food we eat, and also the chemicals in our environment...think about all the chemicals we use in the house, and fumes given off by plastic everywhere...including levels in our food.

Even if everything in the diet is the same as our ancestors ate...but with all the new chemicals we have in those same foods, the progression of the autism might still happen.  Pesticides, herbicides, chemicals to increase the shelf life of the veggi, and so on so forth.  Glyphosate when broken down still is active in our bodies, and we can even get that chemistry from eating meats or food preharvest treated with glyphosate, like oats or wheat in cereals....the chemistry in the broke down residue is bioactive, but I am just using this as an example, I have not read any article directly relating that to glyphosate itself....that usually has different problems it creates but nothing has related it to autism yet unless I missed research articles....I cannot read every article every day they create.  But I read or scan about a hundred conclusions a week on various sites...almost every week. 

It's sad that I am obsessive compulsive and have gone from someone who was an extrovert most of my adult life to someone who just likes doing research and cooking.   A lot of what I study about medical science is directly related to food science, so half of my research above is tracking down the connection between medicines and conditions and comparing them to the chemistry of foods and herbs and stuff.  And of course proper cravings to crave the antidote or companion chemistry to correct the imbalance of the other food you just ate.

Oh well, I don't think it is boring, but most people would I suppose.  I decided to learn how to fix illnesses or conditions from ever manifesting, and since there are not many people who put this all together, I am stuck combining things and investigating research on my own.  Some of the things the herbalists are saying is real, but there are also food chemistries that can be fine tuned too.  And swinging one way can effect thinking negatively, loss of complete comprehension....You see I do lots of testing on myself and try to figure out how they effect me, and also watch how these chemistries effect others at dinner and in restaurants...Alcohol is not the only thing that can dope us up.  Comfort foods are almost all psychoactive in nature, people can't comprehend that is related to scientific reasons.  Too much comfort food chemistry that is related can cause opposite effects in personality.

Again, none of that last paragraph is related to autism...at least I do not think it is...but I may be wrong.
#52
(09-13-2025, 10:35 PM)rickymouse Wrote: I don't know what is causing the high uptick in autism, there have been so many changes in diets and chemicals used that it is hard to determine which ones are causing the increase.
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Autism risk is a genetic disease, ...but I may be wrong.

Autism is not a disease and autists re increasingly pissed off at the neurotypical idea we need fixing. 

Neurodiverse people are not disabled by anything other than the attitudes of people who find us wanting just because they do not understand us. 

Perhaps the (recorded or perceived) increase in autism prevelance is entirely natural, an evolution even.  

Perhaps it is the neurotypical world needs changing.

Perhaps then, we might see an end to all the killing and find peace in all time.
#53
(09-13-2025, 11:23 PM)covent Wrote: Autism is not a disease and autists re increasingly pissed off at the neurotypical idea we need fixing. 

Neurodiverse people are not disabled by anything other than the attitudes of people who find us wanting just because they do not understand us. 

Perhaps the (recorded or perceived) increase in autism prevelance is entirely natural, an evolution even.  

Perhaps it is the neurotypical world needs changing.

Perhaps then, we might see an end to all the killing and find peace in all time.

Yep.  It's almost like an evolution.

The kids are really interesting.

The adults are learning why they didn't seem to fit like they were supposed to.
#54
(09-13-2025, 11:23 PM)covent Wrote: Autism is not a disease and autists re increasingly pissed off at the neurotypical idea we need fixing. 

There no reason to fix a autistic person, unless they want to be altered. It's unlikely there is any way to change a autistic person. So no worries there.
Quote:Neurodiverse people are not disabled by anything other than the attitudes of people who find us wanting just because they do not understand us. 

A quick search of the internet says otherwise. Some where in the area of 74 million kids on 2021. Of that 3.2% are autistic 3.2% of 74000000 = 0.032 × 74000000 = 2368000. Of that 26.7% have profound autism. 26.7% of 2368000 = 0.267 × 2368000 = 632256

So you have 632256 reasons to want to stop autism before it starts. Oh and the numbers are growing daily.

That argument ranks right up there with we shouldn't try and stop someone from being born in the wrong body.
Quote:Perhaps the (recorded or perceived) increase in autism prevelance is entirely natural, an evolution even.

Given the amount of chemicals, drugs and vaccines the average person is exposed to. You probably have a better chance of hitting the powerball twice in a row, than that idea is the correct answer.

Evolution is based on the idea of small changes over millions of years. Not radical changes is decades. 
Quote:Perhaps it is the neurotypical world needs changing.

Perhaps then, we might see an end to all the killing and find peace in all time.

It has nothing to do with the "nerotypical". It has everything to do with evolution. That idea ranks right up there with. We can quit using oil. The entire civilization is built on oil. You would have to change the entire civilization to stop using oil.

Evolution would have to change the entire cycle of life. From kill other living organisms to survive, to something else. Which makes you wonder how it ever got off the ground. Since everything has to feed on something else to survive. Therefore the first living organisms would have consume themselves long before any major amount could populate the planet, and been long gone like the Dodo bird.

The cycle of life depends on no peace. In order to stay alive you have to kill other living organisms. Which means you have to fight for resources. Every moment you are alive you are killing other living organisms.
                                   
#55
(09-14-2025, 09:00 AM)Unknownparadox Wrote: There no reason to fix a autistic person, unless they want to be altered. It's unlikely there is any way to ch
ange a autistic person. So no worries there.

Curious.

What is your personal experience/knowledge with Autism?
#56
(09-14-2025, 01:36 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Curious.

What is your personal experience/knowledge with Autism?

My personal experience is limited, I have met some children who are autistic. But that has no bearing on wanting to prevent autism. 
Just like it has no bearing on wanting to prevent people from being born in the wrong bodies. 

I have no idea why anyone would not want to prevent either of those to conditions. Especially if those two conditions are being caused by humans. Of course no one really wants to find out if humans are causing those conditions.
                                   
#57
(09-14-2025, 02:59 PM)Unknownparadox Wrote: My personal experience is limited, I have met some children who are autistic. But that has no bearing on wanting to prevent autism. 
Just like it has no bearing on wanting to prevent people from being born in the wrong bodies. 

I have no idea why anyone would not want to prevent either of those to conditions. Especially if those two conditions are being caused by humans. Of course no one really wants to find out if humans are causing those conditions.

Autism is a spectrum. There have always been people born that way and until recently, the visibly different were thought to be the only manifestation. 

That is why it is very difficult for people at other places on the spectrum to even be sufficiently acknowledged as having autistic traits to secure a formal diagnoses. Many of us have spent our lives being labelled weird or alien. Many of us have extraordinary IQ's,  making it fairly easy to 'mask' and at least project some semblance of so-called normality. This helps us secure work and live in a world that believes the only real people are those who believe they are mind readers. 

Also, are you suggesting other mentally diverse people have been 'caused' by humans? Are people with Downs Syndrome 'caused'? Are their parents to blame? For not eating what they are told to eat? 


Preventing these conditions would be a travesty. I love and accept myself as I am, as I understand it, that is a very healthy viewpoint.

Eugenics is not healthy and interferes with the natural  order where some people are born with differences that just happen, where no one is to blame and no one needs fixing or preventing.
#58
(09-13-2025, 11:32 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Yep.  It's almost like an evolution.

The kids are really interesting.

The adults are learning why they didn't seem to fit like they were supposed to.

Your last sentence brings back all the inarticulate arguments of childhood. I now know where those feelings came from. Why I always felt so indignant about being told what I should or not be, think, feel, realise. 

Always felt only I had the right to decide those things for me. "I'll be/say/feel/think/believe  what I want" was the battle cry! Upset a lot of people who were only interested in what they understood, the child that seeks only to please and be liked. 

Of course, adolescence meant I fit in just fine with the highly politicised, rebellious and even militant 1970's where we ran riot and did not GAS about anything except having a laugh and challenging the established order.
#59
(09-14-2025, 02:59 PM)Unknownparadox Wrote: My personal experience is limited, I have met some children who are autistic. But that has no bearing on wanting to prevent autism. 
Just like it has no bearing on wanting to prevent people from being born in the wrong bodies. 

I have no idea why anyone would not want to prevent either of those to conditions. Especially if those two conditions are being caused by humans. Of course no one really wants to find out if humans are causing those conditions.

I'm raising an Autistic.  He is high functioning - which can be tricky to recognize.  I was lucky that his first pre-school teacher recognized that he is Autistic.  Which gave me an early opportunity to learn and provide him with what he needed.

Lot's of very interesting people past & present are suspected to be on the Spectrum.  Such as Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Charles Darwin, Albert Einstein, Bobby Fischer, and more.  Would I really want to take away their contributions to this world?  NO.

Of course there is also severe disabling Autism too.  Studies have been done and are being done.

Brain scans are discovering human's are more complex than already thought.  We (all of us) are basically what our brains tell us we are -- plus a mix of chemical elements.

Your talk about fixing people's brains so they can be "normal"  brings to mind Josef Mengele.

Prevention of any birth anomaly is a different story.  We already know a woman who is pregnant should be ultra aware of her own physical/mental health to give her baby the best chance in life.  Yet variances of human's still happen.
#60
(09-14-2025, 03:47 PM)covent Wrote: Your last sentence brings back all the inarticulate arguments of childhood. I now know where those feelings came from. Why I always felt so indignant about being told what I should or not be, think, feel, realise. 

Always felt only I had the right to decide those things for me. "I'll be/say/feel/think/believe  what I want" was the battle cry! Upset a lot of people who were only interested in what they understood, the child that seeks only to please and be liked. 

Of course, adolescence meant I fit in just fine with the highly politicised, rebellious and even militant 1970's where we ran riot and did not GAS about anything except having a laugh and challenging the established order.

I hear ya.

Same here and my past generations.  I used to call them the "Useless Geniuses" -- brilliant minds -- but they couldn't practically apply it.   

My daughter was diagnosed ADHD way back in 1971 -- unusual for a girl.  High functioning Autism not heard of.  My younger daughter for sure is on the spectrum (but unknown back then).  It is her son I am raising (not because she's a druggy unfit mother -- other circumstances -- thought I'd get that out of the way).

Autistic kids are very unique and interesting.  And, Yes -- mine is very kind & compassionate as you described.  I feel the evolution too.