How the corruption of science has impacted public perception.

[chr0naut]

 
Every citizen in my country should be concerned that the makers of vaccines have immunity from any harmful effects of their product.

They should also be concerned the FDA rubber stamps anything thing they make.

They should also be concerned the FDA will allow deadly medication to stay on the market for decades.

They should also be concerned, the same people who gave drug companies immunity for vaccines. Gave them immunity on generic drugs. 

They should also be concerned that not a single drug maker employee/owner/doctor went to jail for the opioid fiasco.

The FDA has always, through its history, prosecuted drug companies and individuals who endanger the integrity of the health system, and the health of the people themselves, and they continue to do so to this day:

FDA Criminal Case Activity

From my AI:

"Several individuals have been jailed for their roles in the opioid crisis, including John Kapoor, the former CEO of Insys Therapeutics, who was sentenced to 5.5 years in prison for bribing doctors to prescribe an addictive painkiller. Additionally, a pharmacist in Madison Heights was sentenced to 84 months for diverting over 25,000 opioid pills, and a doctor in Nassau County received up to 15 years for overprescribing opioids that led to patient deaths.
dea.gov irs.gov

Key Individuals Sentenced for Opioid-Related Crimes
Purdue Pharma Executives
Purdue Pharma: The company pleaded guilty to multiple felony charges, resulting in a federal settlement exceeding $8 billion. The company will cease operations in its current form and emerge from bankruptcy as a public benefit corporation.

Insys Therapeutics Executives
John Kapoor: The former CEO was sentenced to 5.5 years in prison for his role in a bribery scheme that incentivized doctors to prescribe the company's addictive painkiller, Subsys.
Other Executives: Several other Insys executives received prison sentences for their involvement in the same bribery scheme.

Medical Professionals
Dr. George Blatti: A Nassau County doctor was sentenced to 5 to 15 years in prison for overprescribing opioids, which led to the deaths of five patients.
Pharmacist in Madison Heights: A pharmacist was sentenced to 84 months in federal prison for conspiring to distribute over 25,000 opioid pills and for money laundering.
These cases highlight the ongoing efforts to hold individuals accountable for their roles in the opioid crisis, which has had devastating effects on public health."

[quintessentone]

The FDA has always, through its history, prosecuted drug companies and individuals who endanger the integrity of the health system, and the health of the people themselves, and they continue to do so to this day:

FDA Criminal Case Activity

From my AI:

"Several individuals have been jailed for their roles in the opioid crisis, including John Kapoor, the former CEO of Insys Therapeutics, who was sentenced to 5.5 years in prison for bribing doctors to prescribe an addictive painkiller. Additionally, a pharmacist in Madison Heights was sentenced to 84 months for diverting over 25,000 opioid pills, and a doctor in Nassau County received up to 15 years for overprescribing opioids that led to patient deaths.
dea.gov irs.gov

Key Individuals Sentenced for Opioid-Related Crimes
Purdue Pharma Executives
Purdue Pharma: The company pleaded guilty to multiple felony charges, resulting in a federal settlement exceeding $8 billion. The company will cease operations in its current form and emerge from bankruptcy as a public benefit corporation.

Insys Therapeutics Executives
John Kapoor: The former CEO was sentenced to 5.5 years in prison for his role in a bribery scheme that incentivized doctors to prescribe the company's addictive painkiller, Subsys.
Other Executives: Several other Insys executives received prison sentences for their involvement in the same bribery scheme.

Medical Professionals
Dr. George Blatti: A Nassau County doctor was sentenced to 5 to 15 years in prison for overprescribing opioids, which led to the deaths of five patients.
Pharmacist in Madison Heights: A pharmacist was sentenced to 84 months in federal prison for conspiring to distribute over 25,000 opioid pills and for money laundering.
These cases highlight the ongoing efforts to hold individuals accountable for their roles in the opioid crisis, which has had devastating effects on public health."

Then a question arises...Where is the government's accountability and responsibility to ensure the drugs they approve are actually safe for the public, and not just take the drug maker's word for it?

[chr0naut]

Then a question arises...Where is the government's accountability and responsibility to ensure the drugs they approve are actually safe for the public, and not just take the drug maker's word for it?

For hundreds of years, there have been strong rules about scientific and academic papers, requiring peer review and repeatable empirical evidence and such.

However, some decades ago, the tobacco lobby decided to go on the attack because their products posed a significant and verified health risk, and they knew that it was just a matter of time before the authorities came after them. So they have had decades long campaigns of undermining and also 'flat out lying' about scientifically and academiclly verified knowledge. Their tactics have also been adopted by many other 'adjacent' groups, such as anti-vaxxers etc. (also, did you notice the "smoking 'cures' or 'prevents' COVID" nonsense that happened prior to 2022? Of course, smoking actually weakens peoples natural resistance to viral attack. Weird, eh, that people fall for that sort of obviously false stuff, and that there are some really evil people trying to make headway with such BS and kill people for meager profits?)

But, before 2016, government agencies collected statistics about all sorts of things. These statistics revealed trends and instances of unusual occurrences which were investigated and often led to prosecutions.

The current government, however, has closed and defunded most of these government departments because they were allegedly 'inefficient', and have replaced them as a data source, with right-wing social media posts favourable to the current vegetable in chief, and amplified through his propaganda channels.

If you recall, the current incumbent was also there when the data from these departments also became flaky, during the COVID pandemic. Do you remember that? Do you remember the actual locus of government power involved?

If the FDA and other government agencies are now ineffectual, I'd look at those who have ultimately controlled them over recent history, rather than the hands-on workers, many of whom are now no longer employed for some reason.

[Unknownparadox]

The FDA has always, through its history, prosecuted drug companies and individuals who endanger the integrity of the health system, and the health of the people themselves, and they continue to do so to this day:

FDA Criminal Case Activity

From my AI:

"Several individuals have been jailed for their roles in the opioid crisis, including John Kapoor, the former CEO of Insys Therapeutics, who was sentenced to 5.5 years in prison for bribing doctors to prescribe an addictive painkiller. Additionally, a pharmacist in Madison Heights was sentenced to 84 months for diverting over 25,000 opioid pills, and a doctor in Nassau County received up to 15 years for overprescribing opioids that led to patient deaths.
dea.gov irs.gov

Key Individuals Sentenced for Opioid-Related Crimes
Purdue Pharma Executives
Purdue Pharma: The company pleaded guilty to multiple felony charges, resulting in a federal settlement exceeding $8 billion. The company will cease operations in its current form and emerge from bankruptcy as a public benefit corporation.

Insys Therapeutics Executives
John Kapoor: The former CEO was sentenced to 5.5 years in prison for his role in a bribery scheme that incentivized doctors to prescribe the company's addictive painkiller, Subsys.
Other Executives: Several other Insys executives received prison sentences for their involvement in the same bribery scheme.

Medical Professionals
Dr. George Blatti: A Nassau County doctor was sentenced to 5 to 15 years in prison for overprescribing opioids, which led to the deaths of five patients.
Pharmacist in Madison Heights: A pharmacist was sentenced to 84 months in federal prison for conspiring to distribute over 25,000 opioid pills and for money laundering.
These cases highlight the ongoing efforts to hold individuals accountable for their roles in the opioid crisis, which has had devastating effects on public health."

I am glad you are happy with that token prosecution. We are talking a quarter million deaths "OFFICIALLY", over 3 decades problably millions in actuality. And you pop up with this. You should have a book thicker than the bible of prosecutions. And that is just for opioids. Below is another fine pain KILLER. The FDA knew about. 

Ever heard of dextropropoxyphene, they were prescribing it before both of us were born. They were asked to pull it from the market before you were born. But they continued killing people with it and causing serious heart problems. For over 3 decades after they knew what it was doing to people.

And even then they "ASKED" the drug company to stop making it.

After reading some of your post, I got to ask you. Are you a paid poster? I don't see how you can possible believe some of the things you have posted.

[chr0naut]

I am glad you are happy with that token prosecution. We are talking a quarter million deaths "OFFICIALLY", over 3 decades problably millions in actuality. And you pop up with this. You should have a book thicker than the bible of prosecutions. And that is just for opioids. Below is another fine pain KILLER. The FDA knew about. 

Ever heard of dextropropoxyphene, they were prescribing it before both of us were born. They were asked to pull it from the market before you were born. But they continued killing people with it and causing serious heart problems. For over 3 decades after they knew what it was doing to people.

And even then they "ASKED" the drug company to stop making it.

After reading some of your post, I got to ask you. Are you a paid poster? I don't see how you can possible believe some of the things you have posted.

The primary risk with dextropropoxyphene (It was branded as Di-Gesic and Doloxene in Australia when I was prescribed with it, when I was younger), was with overdose, because it wasn't particularly effective as pain relief and people frequently took more than the recommended dose in the attempt to alleviate their pain.

Many drugs, such as paracetemol (acetaminophen) are a risk because they are not strong pain killers, and are often abused in this way. Paracetamol ovedose causes chronic permanent liver damage. Despite this risk being known for decades, they are still on the market as an over-the-counter painkiller.

There is no such thing as an absolutely benign and at the same time effective drug, so authorities have to make evaluations of effectiveness over risk in every case, and for all sorts of doses and formulations.

[Unknownparadox]

The primary risk with dextropropoxyphene (It was branded as Di-Gesic and Doloxene in Australia when I was younger) was with overdose, because it wasn't rparticularly effective as pain relief and people took more than the recommended dose in the attempt to alleviate their pain.

Many drugs, such as paracetemol (acetaminophen) are a risk because they are not strong pain killers, and are often abused in this way. Paracetamol ovedose causes chronic permanent liver damage.

You didn't even touch it was killing people out right by blocking the signal from the brain to the heart. Also giving some people permanent heart arrhythmia, potentially fatal in itself.

But that surprises me none.

[chr0naut]

You didn't even touch it was killing people out right by blocking the signal from the brain to the heart. Also giving some people permanent heart arrhythmia, potentially fatal in itself.

But that surprises me none.

The majority of deaths due to the drug were from people comitting suicide.

Dextropropoxyphene Deaths: Coroner's Report

The is no indication that there was any danger for those who did not significantly exceed the prescribed dose.

This is the Wikipedia entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextropropoxyphene

If you have proof that there were deaths of people who did not exceed the prescribed dose, please post it.

[Unknownparadox]

The majority of deaths due to the drug were from people comitting suicide.

Dextropropoxyphene Deaths: Coroner's Report

The is no indication that there was any danger for those who did not significantly exceed the prescribed dose.

This is the Wikipedia entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextropropoxyphene

If you have proof that there were deaths of people who did not exceed the prescribed dose, please post it.

LMAO
 

The FDA made the move after new data showed that propoxyphene, the active ingredient in both Darvon and Darvocet, “puts patients at risk of potentially serious or even fatal heart rhythm abnormalities,” the agency said in a statement.
Darvon is the brand name for propoxyphene; Darvocet is a combination of propoxyphene and acetaminophen (Tylenol).
“These new heart data significantly alter propoxyphene’s risk-benefit profile. The drug’s effectiveness in reducing pain is no longer enough to outweigh the drug’s serious potential heart risks,” John Jenkins, director of the Office of New Drugs in the FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, said in a statement.
According to Public Citizen, a consumer group that has long advocated against the drug, about 120 million prescriptions for propoxyphene have been filled in the past five years.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/drug...rom-market

I'll bet you didn't know that every drug on the market can cause death when overdosing. I will also bet you didn't notice all those drugs are still on the market. Go figure.

In other words, if you are going to pull a drug from the market, because overdosing can cause death. Why do we still have drugs on the market, since they will all cause death if you overdose? Who would have thunk it?

[chr0naut]

LMAO

I'll bet you didn't know that every drug on the market can cause death when overdosing. I will also bet you didn't notice all those drugs are still on the market. Go figure.

In other words, if you are going to pull a drug from the market, because overdosing can cause death. Why do we still have drugs on the market, since they will all cause death if you overdose? Who would have thunk it?

That question is rather vapid.

Why have power tools, or cooking equipment, or electricity, or farming machinery, or cars, or anything that might, throught some circumstance, potentially lead to loss of life?

How many people could potentionally drown in a bucket of water?

However, I had already addressed your concerns in the post before the one you quoted.

The issue is nuanced, the formulations and doses are varied, as are the situations and interactions of meds and foods, and the ONLY protection we as consumers have, are the agencies such as the FDA (that was being maligned in previous posts).

Do you imagine that people are helped by the removal of such agencies, their investigations, the subsequent legal actions and statutory protections?

[annonentity]

We have never had a peer reviewed study which looks at the health stats. of a vaccinated cohort, and an unvaccinated one.  The only one I have seen is from a doctor who kept his own records from patients and over time realized that the unvaccinated patients were a lot healthier than their counterparts. He went public and lost his license very quickly. It was obvious that he was on to something so big and massive sums of money would have been involved if it got any real traction.
 But saying that during this covid crisis it has become obvious that vaccinated individuals seem to be doing a lot worse that the unvaccinated ones. In fact it is so bad they have removed vaccine status from the stats. for them to have had to do this the facts speak for themselves. 
  When a massive  mistake has been made, especially on this scale, is anyone really surprised that all the stops will be pulled out to minimize it. They would still have to keep pushing it to some extent to make it look right.  It might be the case that a vaccination does stop the incidence of one disease, but  has anyone got any  long term data on what stopping one disease does to the immune system  with regards to other conditions? I doubt it because this is where big money gets involved and things get scary.