Has Ukraine collapsed

[quintessentone]

What the hell are you talking about?   Do you even know?   What I said is true.

Russian separatists in Ukraine causing problems is NOT a good or valid excuse for the country of Russia to invade the sovereign country of Ukraine, slaughtering it's citizens and destroying it's cities.  Russia acknowledged Ukraines sovereignty and promised not to invade.   It broke that promise.

From AI Google Assist - Russia recognized Ukraine's independence on December 2, 1991, the same day Poland and Canada became the first nations to do so, following Ukraine's declaration of independence in August 1991 and a overwhelming referendum confirming it.

Just because some people in Ukraine were Russian separatists doesn't give Russia the right to invade and slaughter the people and destroy the cities.   Russia had acknowledged that Ukraine was a sovereign nation and it broke that agreement when it invaded February 24 2022. Russia is totally the bad guy here.

"Vladimir Putin believes Russians and Ukrainians are 'one people' and 'the whole of Ukraine is ours'"

"Russian President Vladimir Putin has not ruled out taking the Ukrainian city of Sumy.He said Russians and Ukrainians were "one people"."

That was Putin's first reason for invading, it may still be a valid reason, with other reasons piled on top to continue the justification for never ending this war.

[FlyersFan]

That was Putin's first reason for invading, 

You really should learn how to read and butt out when two people are conversing.   Save yourself embarrassment.  

I was answering another persons response to me that there was a Ukrainian civil war and he said that's why Russia invaded.   I was saying that the Russian Separatists who were operating in Ukraine were NOT a good'/valid reason for Russia to invade.  He was saying it was.

The sun isn't even up and you are already spewing .... all day every day .... not even making sense ... get some help.

[quintessentone]

You really should learn how to read and butt out when two people are conversing.   Save yourself embarrassment.  

I was answering another persons response to me that there was a Ukrainian civil war and he said that's why Russia invaded.   I was saying that the Russian Separatists who were operating in Ukraine were NOT a good'/valid reason for Russia to invade.  He was saying it was.

The sun isn't even up and you are already spewing .... all day every day .... not even making sense ... get some help.

Pot...kettle but with you it's insults added in because you can't help yourself. You get help.

And I am saying Putin thought it was a good reason to invade and I was agreeing with the other person and saying I think you are wrong. It's not what you think is or isn't a good reason, it is what Putin thought was a good reason. So you are the one not getting it.

[FlyersFan]

 I am saying Putin thought it was a good reason to invade and I was agreeing with the other person and saying I think you are wrong.

Hey dipsy doodle ... the other person agrees with Putin.  
I disagree with Putin and don't think it's a valid reason.
Wake up next time before you start posting.   
At least wait for the sun to come up.   
It's ridiculous.  

[quintessentone]

Hey dipsy doodle ... the other person agrees with Putin.  
I disagree with Putin and don't think it's a valid reason.
Wake up next time before you start posting.   
At least wait for the sun to come up.   
It's ridiculous.  

It's not a matter of agreeing or not agreeing with Putin, it is simply acknowledging a fact of what the reason was as to why Putin invaded. You totally missed the mark there, but hey I am used to it with you.

[FlyersFan]

It's not a matter of agreeing or not agreeing with Putin, it is simply acknowledging a fact of what the reason was as to why Putin invaded. You totally missed the mark there, but hey I am used to it with you.

No .... YOU missed the mark because you jumped into a conversation two people were having and you failed to actually read what was posted and you should have not tried to butt in.  

Yes it very much IS a matter of agreeing or not agreeing with Putin ... that was the point of the conversation.  He agreed with Putins reason for invading and I did not.   

Go back to bed and detox from the internet.   Unplug.   You can't handle it.

[quintessentone]

No .... YOU missed the mark because you jumped into a conversation two people were having and you failed to actually read what was posted and you should have not tried to butt in.  

Yes it very much IS a matter of agreeing or not agreeing with Putin ... that was the point of the conversation.  He agreed with Putins reason for invading and I did not.   

Go back to bed and detox from the internet.   Unplug.   You can't handle it.

Everyone here jumps into convos including you...  you are so fake.

I also agree that Putin's reasoning, to Putin, was a valid reason for him to think he should invade.

Why don't you follow your own advice and stop jumping on others' convos and unplug because you can't help yourself insulting others.

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[FlyersFan]

I also agree that Putin's reasoning, to Putin, was a valid reason for him to think he should invade.

That's NOT what the poster said.
The poster AGREED WITH PUTIN that the invasion was necessary.
Agreed with his reasons for doing so.

See ... you just jump in without even knowing what you are talking about.
Just so that you can argue with someone ... even before the sun is up.
Sickness.

[andy06shake]

So dismiss the 10 year civil war in Ukraine

It would be short-sighted to state that Ukraine's government doesn't have corruption issues.

But the same could be said about our own respective nations.

It's irrelevant to justifying invasion.

Corruption is not a casus belli under international law.

If that were the case, half the world would be legitimate targets for invasion.

Ukraine was not invading Russia.
 
And the war began because Russia rejected Ukrainian sovereignty.

Using corruption as a rationale is a post hoc excuse, not a cause.