Has Ukraine collapsed

[quintessentone]

As long as frontline soldiers are Men, wars will be fought down to the last one.

Ukraine's frontline fighters are also women, so I can't agree with that analysis by you, however I think leaders of countries that are ego-, greed- and power-driven without any negotiation skills are the ones that are culpable as those powerless fighters may be fighting for different reasons, most perhaps for survival, which seems to be a paradox; an absurdity.

[RickyD]

They are fighting for the country and their very survival as a nation.

It's about existance, not political aisles right now.  

They are all corrupt to one degree or another.

If they were fighting for their country they wouldn't need units to go around snatching conscripts up forcefully would they? I mean if the majority there wanted to defend their homeland they would have lines of recruits at every recruiting station yea?

[Maxmars]

If they were fighting for their country they wouldn't need units to go around snatching conscripts up forcefully would they? I mean if the majority there wanted to defend their homeland they would have lines of recruits at every recruiting station yea?

Could it be that the military thinkers of Ukraine have 'spent' that currency of spirit?

Are most citizens there now focused on the survival and safety of their families?

I don't live there, under this kind of pressure, and the constant imminent threats... so I can't let myself judge.

I have found in war, that 'zealous' affirmation is often only a social token... when faced with death for combat you really don't understand takes a singular discipline...  is it right to expect every citizen to muster that to sacrifice... when all you have been doing is sacrificing... all along?

I really feel badly for the friends I don't know over there.  I feel absolutely mortified over the death of innocents... I accept the death of combatants as personal sacrifices, whether I can agree with them or not.

I can't accept that as far as their "reality" is concerned ....
this is a "table-top" war...
and they are playing it the same way you and I would play tic-tac-toe...

except if the goal were to tie...

meanwhile none of them are 'hurting' at all,...
they're "negotiating over money and property." (bounty.)

These kinds of leaders belong on the battlefield... watch how quickly wars will end.

[Creaky]

If they were fighting for their country they wouldn't need units to go around snatching conscripts up forcefully would they? I mean if the majority there wanted to defend their homeland they would have lines of recruits at every recruiting station yea?

Free and fare elections 
But seems no countries have them anymore 

This whole war is globalist greed to control Ukraine resources

[Creaky]

Ukraine's frontline fighters are also women, so I can't agree with that analysis by you, however I think leaders of countries that are ego-, greed- and power-driven without any negotiation skills are the ones that are culpable as those powerless fighters may be fighting for different reasons, most perhaps for survival, which seems to be a paradox; an absurdity.

Women - because there are no men left to fight, how desperate Ukraine is now.
This is a proxy lead US hangover war from the Clintons, supported by the West

[andy06shake]

If they were fighting for their country they wouldn't need units to go around snatching conscripts up forcefully would they? I mean if the majority there wanted to defend their homeland they would have lines of recruits at every recruiting station yea?

No.

That argument assumes willingness equals availability, which simply isn't true.

Most of the poor sods who could volunteer already did, especially early in the war.

Over time, wars exhaust the pool of people, even when public support remains high.

81% of Ukrainians wish to fight on.

[FlyersFan]

This is a proxy lead US hangover war from the Clintons, supported by the West

Nope.  This is an expansionist Russia war.  Plain and simple.
If this was 'US lead' then Trump wouldn't be beating the snot out of Zelenskyy.

[WallFlowerActive]

81% of Ukrainians wish to fight on.

Are they the ones going to the front lines?
 

Ukrainian Men Approaching Military Age Are Fleeing in DrovesA new policy has led to an exodus of male citizens. Will they return if the war ends?
By Michael Holtz
November 25, 2025

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/...-in-droves

take your pick..

Black Sabbath
War Pigs

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/blacksab...rpigs.html

 

Disposable Heroes
Song by Metallica


Bodies fill the fields I see, hungry heroes end
No one to play soldier now, no one to pretend
Running blind through killing fields, bred to kill them all
Victim of what said should be
A servant 'til I fall
Soldier boy, made of clay
Now an empty shell
Twenty one, only son
But he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
Do just as we say
Finished here, greetings death
He's yours to take away
Back to the front
You will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
You will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
You coward
You servant
You blind man

shrugs..

Ukraine fails to fill key posts as corruption scandal lingersBy Pavel Polityuk and Dan Peleschuk
December 12, 20256:40 AM ESTUpdated December 12, 2025


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukr...025-12-12/

Who wants the slaughter of a whole generation to continue…

[quintessentone]

Women - because there are no men left to fight, how desperate Ukraine is now.
This is a proxy lead US hangover war from the Clintons, supported by the West

It's not a new strategy where women replace men in non-combat roles where those men then go to combat roles. Although I did read where Ukrainian women are volunteering, in ever increasing numbers, to become drone operators. This war is not fought like earlier warfare, this war is using advanced high tech which goes to the frontlines not so much Ukrainian people.

It's up to the people there to decide what they want and how to act and, so far, they have not let up.

[andy06shake]

Are they the ones going to the front lines?
 


take your pick..
 

shrugs..


Who wants the slaughter of a whole generation to continue…

The same people who wish for the nation's sovereignty to continue.

I wonder what you would say if i walked into your home and annexed half of it just because i liked the look of your livingroom?

Guess you would sue for peace, and i get to keep half following your cowardly logic? 

If Ukraine wishes to fight on, thats thier perogrtive as a people.

And just because you wish to see them bow down to a tyrant and capitulate doesn't mean that they ever will.

Freedom to Ukraine and down with the Russian scum invaders.