Gerrymander based on ideology instead of race

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

If they were good representatives, then why worry?

Because I think gerrymandering is bullshit. And I wish it would be reigned in. But good luck with that beyond a state level.

Tennessee has what 9 districts of 770,000 people each? And 25% of the state is democrat voting.

I think "fair" would be two blue districts around Memphis and Nashville. But they get one in Memphis, which will soon be reduced to zero.

So the question is, Do you think its fair representation for democrats (regardless of race) to have little to no state representation through gerrymandering? 

And can you see how the focus to go after democrat districts on racial equality grounds is disenfranchising black voters even if its just done because their districts are democrat?

Because I dont even think it's fair that Republicans have only 5 of 54 CA districts. Thats disgusting actually.

Republicans should have Orange County, half of SD county, IE, rural everywhere, Central Valley and the high desert.  At least 13 million need to be represented. 

They are 13 districts short now.  

And I think this needs to create the dialog that creates a law that keeps districts in line with how people in more local areas actually vote. No more wild lines. You keep Orange County's rep in orange county and draw it by more local majorities and deal with 3 GOP reps in the LA area.

Thats my grand solution. And then will be no more ground for "targeted disenfranchised black voters" to land on.

It would still balance out if all sides agreed to stop this feedback loop bullshit.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

The key to fighting prejudice and racism is to stop looking at shit by their color that includes the "white people bad" that you're seeing. Even Morgan Freeman agrees with that. You are simply being the other half of the hate equation and its not too late to change.

Has it happened yet? 
Has superficial identification and preference gone anywhere? 
Has the benefit of the largely Tejano South of Texas having a Tejano rep they identify with gone anywhere? 
Have people stopped or wanted to stop voting that way yet? 

How about I bail on this thread with David Draiman now?  



Hey look, a liberal just made the "social benefit to a willfully chosen community segregation" argument.... Thats a former white supremacy argument, everything has inverted now. 

*Because I really don*t see anything racist about drawing districts around ANY local racial majority. Even white republicans. 

A collection of happy majorities is their more localized representative districts is better than a uniformity of bitter forced divesity in ridiculous oblong tracts. It's diversity is representated in aggregate, and I think gerrymandering quite literally draws us away from this reality of what people seek in communities more often than not.

[DBCowboy]

Because I think gerrymandering is bullshit. And I wish it would be reigned in. But good luck with that beyond a state level.

Tennessee has what 9 districts of 770,000 people each? And 25% of the state is democrat voting.

I think "fair" would be two blue districts around Memphis and Nashville. But they get one in Memphis, which will soon be reduced to zero.

So the question is, Do you think its fair representation for democrats (regardless of race) to have little to no state representation through gerrymandering? 

And can you see how the focus to go after democrat districts on racial equality grounds is disenfranchising black voters even if its just done because their districts are democrat?

Because I dont even think it's fair that Republicans have only 5 of 54 CA districts. Thats disgusting actually.

Republicans should have Orange County, half of SD county, IE, rural everywhere, Central Valley and the high desert.  At least 13 million need to be represented. 

They are 13 districts short now.  

And I think this needs to create the dialog that creates a law that keeps districts in line with how people in more local areas actually vote. No more wild lines. You keep Orange County's rep in orange county and draw it by more local majorities and deal with 3 GOP reps in the LA area.

Thats my grand solution. And then will be no more ground for "targeted disenfranchised black voters" to land on.

It would still balance out if all sides agreed to stop this feedback loop bullshit.

One side has played the game for a long time.  Now another side is also playing the game and apparently winning.  It's because one side is screaming racism where racism shouldn't even exist.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

One side has played the game for a long time.  Now another side is also playing the game and apparently winning.  It's because one side is screaming racism where racism shouldn't even exist.

Its like 2 to 1 in favor of Republicans since 2010. After the ACA it became way more useful and practiced. 

But it's our politics. Time honored gaming. And something we have to deal with. 

But this IS a conspiracy site, and like the right saw George Soros And The WEF as the dark hand of cultural manipulation with affirmed allegiance to evil, I see a see a smoky room of fellowship kindred, a throwback cigar and brandy lounge forcibly installing a white christian nationalism under the facade of establishing a pure meritocracy, tradition, and ending the things they are reinforcing.. And this is another brick in that wall. 

So this would obviously be a place for somrthing like this to land.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Has it happened yet? 
Has superficial identification and preference gone anywhere? 
Has the benefit of the largely Tejano South of Texas having a Tejano rep they identify with gone anywhere? 
Have people stopped or wanted to stop voting that way yet? 

How about I bail on this thread with David Draiman now?  
[Video: https://youtu.be/3JUyx_YxCMM?si=q_JPS_JogefafsBn]

Hey look, a liberal just made the "social benefit to a willfully chosen community segregation" argument.... Thats a former white supremacy argument, everything has inverted now. 

*Because I really don*t see anything racist about drawing districts around ANY local racial majority. Even white republicans. 

A collection of happy majorities is their more localized representative districts is better than a uniformity of bitter forced divesity in ridiculous oblong tracts. It's diversity is representated in aggregate, and I think gerrymandering quite literally draws us away from this reality of what people seek in communities more often than not.

Of course superficial identification isn't going anywhere you keep pointing it fucking out with your constant color coding of every belief, that was my point

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Does that go along with removing the Smithsonian of slavery references because it offends "Americana" to focus on our long history of racism? 

 Are we Turkish now?

I dont think ignoring that we are, or once were race/identity motivated eliminates racism either. Especially when our politics still has a lot of different majorities that are largely coded by the same simplistic identification demographics that reflect in polls. 

Doesnt change the 38 latino and 26 black majority districts that vote most of the time for their own. Pointing that out doesnt keep making that happen. 

Really, our fault for killing stereotypes. Cant use them anymore. But I'll keep my generalized arguments and you all can keep telling me to shut up and stop being racist... because thats also America...

[chr0naut]

Interesting bias as accepted. But where in that story is Gerrymandering addressed or correlated to crime? 

You don't seem to comprehended what I posted - "crime" is directly related to the "criminal activity" described in the link in my previous post.

Also, don't ask for things you don't want to learn:

Which political party has gerrymandered more seats in the United States historically?



You know, if it was universally "one person, one vote" in the USA, not only would it be a fairer and more even distribution of power among all the citizens than the Electoral College system,

... and (drum roll):

- it would be impossible to gerrymander!

- nor could you apply unequal voting power to any groupings of any particular ethnicities or tax bracket!

- and the bi-partisan power structure would vanish, too. You could have independents whose policies are better liked than the party followers, that could gain a seat in government.

Wow, such a simple thing to implement that would completely, permanently and absolutely solve several of the US's current political problems. Who'd have thunk it?

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Does that go along with removing the Smithsonian of slavery references because it offends "Americana" to focus on our long history of racism? 

 Are we Turkish now?

I dont think ignoring that we are, or once were race/identity motivated eliminates racism either. Especially when our politics still has a lot of different majorities that are largely coded by the same simplistic identification demographics that reflect in polls. 

Doesnt change the 38 latino and 26 black majority districts that vote most of the time for their own. Pointing that out doesnt keep making that happen. 

Really, our fault for killing stereotypes. Cant use them anymore. But I'll keep my generalized arguments and you all can keep telling me to shut up and stop being racist... because thats also America...

Racism isn't an American issue and neither is prejudice its a global one more dominant in Asia than any other continent its only that Americans, not naming any names *Ideo*, whine about how horrible it is louder than everyone else because thats the American way. You want to talk about slavery? You think slaves are given freely or something they costed a small fortune do you have any idea how many white people live in poverty even more back then. You know what America's problem is, instant gratification of everything. Shit isn't built in a day but it will never be good enough because people will always use it as crutches and a cop out of their own life failures. Have you ever heard the term, "poor white trash"? It isn't make believe poverty has no color. You focus on the wrong thing and it is spreading everywhere. You contribute to the spread. The side-lined stupid ass division that will never solve the problem because they are the fuckin problem and they can't even see it. If you want to see real change then start at the root with education and instill the need and desire to learn to the masses or its a loop of stupidity forever.

More about slavery: Brazil was the largest destination of the transatlantic slave trade. It imported nearly 4.8 to 5.5 million enslaved Africans, compared to approximately 390,000 imported to America from guess who? Brazil, but I bet you don't go around saying "Fuck Brazil" for having 1100% more slavery

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Racism isn't an American issue and neither is prejudice its a global one more dominant in Asia than any other continent its only that Americans, not naming any names *Ideo*, whine about how horrible it is louder than everyone else because thats the American way.

Who said I said racism is the American issue?

The American issue is demonizing the DEI/affirmative action mindset (both things I support) as a form of racism and belittling those who still focus on protected class identity inclusivity (or even exclusivity, like NAACP) as a way to combat racial inequality.  Especially because the result works out like a way to undermine minority representation and call it equality. 

I support what you call the spreading of that disease focusing on the wrong things. And that means fuck all to me. It has an opposite effect if anything. 

I am a text book child of the PC generation. I see the former "racist" 2024 lines in Louisiana as an acknowledgement of Americas long history of epic systemic racism and a willingness to acknowledge we largely instilled the destructive cycle of poverty. 

I see the several courts decision to draw more black democrat districts in states with a lot of black democrats as equality more than racial favoritism.

Not really about people making excuses for their lot, so much as genuinely being so white and privileged, I truly believe not everyone has ability to be as selfish and (ir)responsible and have as many opportunities in a default setting as I did.  So what if my 1480 is their 1250?  And i don't even see it as wealth redistribution to lose out for DEI quotas.  It doesnt change the capitalism part for me, just who gets the opportunity at it, and I have so very many. 

And i certainly dont see supporting things like that as continuing the cycle of stupid. What IS American though, is seeing me as doing JUST THAT for thinking the way i do.   So you gotta own the criticism.
 

Have you ever heard the term, "poor white trash"? It isn't make believe poverty has no color.

You mean like the people that lived south of the "river" and didn't even have a gated entry? Joking.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

If its based on race its racist, is DEI race based? Is affirmative action? Well.... 

People do not need these handouts that is the equivalent of putting a band aid over the root of the gaping wound. I do not know a single human of any color that was successful as a direct result of any of that. They found success in their hard work, due diligence, integrity, and value of knowledge especially reading. Reading is a huge deal.

Lets look at the literacy and illiteracy issue in the U.S. I would bet there is a direct correlation between that and the problem. If someone can not teach themselves the gaps in their knowledge they will never be as successful as they can truly be thats just a fact of life. Roughly 54% of U.S. adults (130 million) read below a 6th-grade level, with 21% classified as functionally illiterate—unable to manage daily reading tasks.

Im glad you feel privileged thats blessed as hell but it has nothing to do with white if it did then there would be black privilege too and hispanic privilege and Asian privilege and you know what you call it then? Just fuckin privilege. Thats not a bad thing thats a blessing of success. If success is priviledge well fuck there must be priviledge of every color because to deny that would deny their success and obviously all races have success.

Im telling you man 100% its education we change that and it domino effects the entire world i swear

Destroy all social media that is poisoning everyone, destroy all influence and build good ones. Nurture it.
Show them the way. Give them goals, pride in their achievements. Im talking about all the children of the world. Shape them, it starts with parents investing in their children's lives again instead of giving them phones and tablets. It starts with teachers not giving up on a disruptive class and parents showing them discipline.

Instill good values its not hard. Values based on your merit and strength of your resolve.

Ideo you talk about superficial bullshit in America but are championing programs based on the superficial. It doesn't make any sense