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10-27-2025, 02:31 PM
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(10-27-2025, 01:42 PM)imitator Wrote: Yeah, no telling what’s really on those plates... would be interesting to see the film’s datasheets, if they even had any back then. Could be a bunch of different things. I’m just saying… what if... 
I’ve recently picked up some old cameras myself... thinking about trying some black-and-white photography. Seems like a fun rabbit hole to get into.
Hope the weather clears up for you soon! 
Yes, it could have just been a few dust specks in the emulsion. I wonder if they kept the negatives as I have only seen the positive print plates presented. Then again, they may have made them positive when digitized.
I was hoping to take a cheap telescope to a Halloween convention this weekend. Overcast for the weather prediction all weekend though.
Was going to show what could be seen under bad light pollution and inexpensive equipment. First quarter to half Moon would be great projected to 100 inch live video.
We do have a former NASA scientist that has a space science panel there every year. I might ask her about this.
I know too much and question everything.
Does anyone know the minimum safe distance of ignorance?
Did anyone ask the monkeys how much fun the barrel actually was?
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(10-27-2025, 02:31 PM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: Yes, it could have just been a few dust specks in the emulsion. I wonder if they kept the negatives as I have only seen the positive print plates presented. Then again, they may have made them positive when digitized.
I was hoping to take a cheap telescope to a Halloween convention this weekend. Overcast for the weather prediction all weekend though.
Was going to show what could be seen under bad light pollution and inexpensive equipment. First quarter to half Moon would be great projected to 100 inch live video.
We do have a former NASA scientist that has a space science panel there every year. I might ask her about this.
You might be right about them being flipped during digitizing...

Another thought... maybe lining the prints up with Astrometry.net, that could match the stars in the image to known sky coordinates and see if those dots correspond to real objects or not.
Sounds like a cool setup... 100 inch wide live feed showing the Moon!
I need that in my mancave haha...
Yeah... definitely ask the NASA scientist about it, would be great to hear what she says.
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10-31-2025, 01:28 PM
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(10-27-2025, 04:09 PM)imitator Wrote: You might be right about them being flipped during digitizing...

Another thought... maybe lining the prints up with Astrometry.net, that could match the stars in the image to known sky coordinates and see if those dots correspond to real objects or not.
Sounds like a cool setup... 100 inch wide live feed showing the Moon!
I need that in my mancave haha...
Yeah... definitely ask the NASA scientist about it, would be great to hear what she says. 
I just had a discussion about the with the scientist.
First, she was never a NASA employee, she was a scientist on contract for NASA. She is now retired and writes books on various space science subjects and hard science fiction books.
We talked about the anomalies in the survey and she agrees there are several possible sources for them. Dust, emulsion contamination, atomic particles, etc.. but nothing proven to be in space. The evidence being a one time occurrence with no indication of movement during the exposures.
She also stated the amount of false information about the 3I Atlas object is ridiculous. most being just for hype.
She is not interested in DI as this kind of thing makes her blood pressure go up. I included this just in case anyone thinks I need to invite her here.
I know too much and question everything.
Does anyone know the minimum safe distance of ignorance?
Did anyone ask the monkeys how much fun the barrel actually was?
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(10-31-2025, 01:28 PM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: ...
She is not interested in DI as this kind of thing makes her blood pressure go up. I included this just in case anyone thinks I need to invite her here.
Thanks for saying so... I would have asked... We do need more friends in here...
Please thank her for all her works nevertheless... and for setting the record straight...
Welcome to what journalism is supposed to be.
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(10-31-2025, 01:28 PM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: I just had a discussion about the with the scientist.
First, she was never a NASA employee, she was a scientist on contract for NASA. She is now retired and writes books on various space science subjects and hard science fiction books.
We talked about the anomalies in the survey and she agrees there are several possible sources for them. Dust, emulsion contamination, atomic particles, etc.. but nothing proven to be in space. The evidence being a one time occurrence with no indication of movement during the exposures.
She also stated the amount of false information about the 3I Atlas object is ridiculous. most being just for hype.
She is not interested in DI as this kind of thing makes her blood pressure go up. I included this just in case anyone thinks I need to invite her here.
Glad you asked her some questions... that’s really interesting.
Yeah, that makes sense though… being a scientist, she probably doesn’t want to get tied to anything that sounds too alien or fringe. Most of them stick to what can be measured and repeated, so one off anomalies just don’t fit their comfort zone.
Kind of ironic she’s not into DI though... she writes hard science fiction, which is still speculative, just grounded in plausible science. Same goes for 3I/ATLAS and the Palomar transients... it’s all speculative, just depends on how open you are.
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11-01-2025, 03:32 PM
This post was last modified: 11-01-2025, 03:34 PM by BeyondKnowledge. 
(11-01-2025, 02:42 PM)imitator Wrote: Glad you asked her some questions... that’s really interesting. 
Yeah, that makes sense though… being a scientist, she probably doesn’t want to get tied to anything that sounds too alien or fringe. Most of them stick to what can be measured and repeated, so one off anomalies just don’t fit their comfort zone.
Kind of ironic she’s not into DI though... she writes hard science fiction, which is still speculative, just grounded in plausible science. Same goes for 3I/ATLAS and the Palomar transients... it’s all speculative, just depends on how open you are.
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I don't think it is as much that she doesn't want to be linked to a conspiracy site as much as she is already quite busy publishing her own and a few other authors books. She was involved with some conspiracy podcast for a while as a scientific advisor.
Additional background I have learned, she was involved with the space shuttle program. Columbia in perticular and lost a friend in that disaster.
I don't see her covering up for anything or being pressured to state the official explanation for the things discussed as she is totally independent now.
I know too much and question everything.
Does anyone know the minimum safe distance of ignorance?
Did anyone ask the monkeys how much fun the barrel actually was?
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