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(09-27-2025, 01:01 AM)chivo Wrote: Where is all of the thread derailing, the usual trump TDS'ers? I like when there's information that can't be discarded right out of the box as "right wing propaganda", the guys that hate trump they don't even write down a sentence it this threads... Is like if the ignore it, it didn't happen hahahaha.
But you know they are there because you can see who is online hahaha! this is cringey as s**t!!!
Maybe they have me on ignore and they can't see the thread.
“The American press is a shame and a reproach to a civilized people. When a man is too lazy to work and too cowardly to steal, he becomes an editor and manufactures public opinion.”
― William T. Sherman
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This thread: The FBI infiltrated the right-wing and provoked violence to falsely portray political opponents as extremists!
Other thread: The FBI would never infiltrate the left-wing and provoke violence to falsely portray political opponents as extremists!
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(09-27-2025, 09:58 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: This thread: The FBI infiltrated the right-wing and provoked violence to falsely portray political opponents as extremists!
Other thread: The FBI would never infiltrate the left-wing and provoke violence to falsely portray political opponents as extremists!
Oh.. you mean freedom of speech... at it's best?
If true it would focus the bias to split... interesting if viewed from a meta perspective.
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09-27-2025, 10:05 PM
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(09-27-2025, 10:01 PM)Maxmars Wrote: Oh.. you mean freedom of speech... at it's best?
If true it would focus the bias to split... interesting if viewed from a meta perspective.
Yes, perhaps "political opponents" is the wrong term, perhaps "those whose expression of opinion might threaten the duopoly" would be more accurate.
Not so much about swaying the battle, which never ends, as controlling the battlefield.
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(09-27-2025, 10:05 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Not so much about swaying the battle, which never ends, as controlling the battlefield. My eyes have been opened.
Battlespace is the term you seek.
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(09-26-2025, 01:09 PM)SomeStupidName Wrote: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fbi-...p_catchall
Tim Pool's video about it.[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6WNNrS1hR8]
It'll be interesting to see if this leads to anything more, perhaps it was the FBI that incited the violence that day....
If there were two hundred seventy five plainclothed FBI agents in the crowd, shouldn't they have helped the guards stop the people from going into the capital building? They were government law enforcement and should have joined the guards to stop the incident peacefully since there were enough of them to do that. I am sure that many FBI agents popping out of the crowd to settle down that event would have stopped those people from going in. Why weren't they doing the job they were hired to do? To keep criminal activity from occurring.
They should all be questioned as to who gave the order to not help out the guards that day. If I had that job I would automatically help to stop that protest from getting out of control, a bunch of agents just joining the few guards would have peacefully turned the crowd around that was trying to enter the building.
Maybe that is why when Trump won, they started to clean the FBI and other agencies up, those agencies are not supposed to allow that kind of behavior to occur, no matter what political party it involves, they work for the people of this country, not a specific political party. Keeping that protest peaceful should have been their objective, not letting it get out of hand. Most of the people who went inside did so because the guards finally gave in and stepped aside because they were severely outnumbered. but most of those that entered were just taking pictures and talking, the initial ones were the only ones that made entry by force, and their numbers were not over a hundred seventy five and I am sure the FBI guys had weapons on them. That is probably why Trump cleaned house when these numbers came to light and got rid of some of them in the FBI. Why do we have an FBI if they don't do anything.
I am not against the FBI agency, but I find something stinks in this incident. Trump pardoned those who got charged because he knew something was rotten in Denmark. Where does that saying there is something rotten in Denmark come from anyway.
Might need to go look up the origination of that saying now.
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(09-27-2025, 10:20 PM)rickymouse Wrote: I am not against the FBI agency, but I find something stinks in this incident. Trump pardoned those who got charged because he knew something was rotten in Denmark. Where does that saying there is something rotten in Denmark come from anyway.
Might need to go look up the origination of that saying now. 
Comes from Hamlet. The line signifies a sense of unease and corrupt political structures, reflecting the underlying murder and betrayal at the heart of the play's plot. Kinda fitting, don't you think?
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(09-27-2025, 10:20 PM)rickymouse Wrote: If there were two hundred seventy five plainclothed FBI agents in the crowd, shouldn't they have helped the guards stop the people from going into the capital building? They were government law enforcement and should have joined the guards to stop the incident peacefully since there were enough of them to do that. I am sure that many FBI agents popping out of the crowd to settle down that event would have stopped those people from going in. Why weren't they doing the job they were hired to do? To keep criminal activity from occurring.
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This is all in the public record.
The first demonstrators started breaking through the outer perimeter of Capitol Police a few minutes before 1:00 on that day. That was about 15 minutes BEFORE Trump finished his speech at the White House Ellipse. Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were among the very first individuals to break through the police lines, because many of them did not bother to attend the speeches at the ellipse. When they arrived in DC that morning they more or less went straight to the Capitol. This is the main reason that members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were the only ones charged with, and convicted of, Seditious Conspiracy. They were clearly not there to simply exercise their first amendment rights.
By 1:35, D. C. Mayor Bowser first called for DC National Guard and for backup from other law enforcement agencies in the area. I think that is the earliest point in time where anyone could have asked for FBI agents as one of those law enforcement agencies.
By 1:45, demonstrators were coming up the Capitol steps and the event was officially declared a riot (which has legal implications for how the demonstrators can be treated).
By 2:15, the joint session of Congress had ended, and the Secret Service was evacuating VP Pence.
By 2:25, demonstrators were roaming around inside the Capitol, breaking into offices and looking for Nancy Pelosi, and Trump was tweeting to his followers that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution."
The first FBI agents arrived at the Capitol at 2:30. So by the time they got there, the demonstrators had already gotten into the Capitol and successfully disrupted the proceedings
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(09-28-2025, 04:36 PM)EXETER Wrote: This is all in the public record.
The first demonstrators started breaking through the outer perimeter of Capitol Police a few minutes before 1:00 on that day. That was about 15 minutes BEFORE Trump finished his speech at the White House Ellipse. Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were among the very first individuals to break through the police lines, because many of them did not bother to attend the speeches at the ellipse. When they arrived in DC that morning they more or less went straight to the Capitol. This is the main reason that members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were the only ones charged with, and convicted of, Seditious Conspiracy. They were clearly not there to simply exercise their first amendment rights.
By 1:35, D. C. Mayor Bowser first called for DC National Guard and for backup from other law enforcement agencies in the area. I think that is the earliest point in time where anyone could have asked for FBI agents as one of those law enforcement agencies.
By 1:45, demonstrators were coming up the Capitol steps and the event was officially declared a riot (which has legal implications for how the demonstrators can be treated).
By 2:15, the joint session of Congress had ended, and the Secret Service was evacuating VP Pence.
By 2:25, demonstrators were roaming around inside the Capitol, breaking into offices and looking for Nancy Pelosi, and Trump was tweeting to his followers that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution."
The first FBI agents arrived at the Capitol at 2:30. So by the time they got there, the demonstrators had already gotten into the Capitol and successfully disrupted the proceedings
So, are you saying that there were no FBI agents in the crowd at the capitol when the riot started?
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09-29-2025, 02:28 AM
This post was last modified: 09-29-2025, 02:31 AM by ElitePlebeian. 
(09-28-2025, 04:36 PM)EXETER Wrote: This is all in the public record.
The first demonstrators started breaking through the outer perimeter of Capitol Police a few minutes before 1:00 on that day. That was about 15 minutes BEFORE Trump finished his speech at the White House Ellipse. Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were among the very first individuals to break through the police lines, because many of them did not bother to attend the speeches at the ellipse. When they arrived in DC that morning they more or less went straight to the Capitol. This is the main reason that members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were the only ones charged with, and convicted of, Seditious Conspiracy. They were clearly not there to simply exercise their first amendment rights.
By 1:35, D. C. Mayor Bowser first called for DC National Guard and for backup from other law enforcement agencies in the area. I think that is the earliest point in time where anyone could have asked for FBI agents as one of those law enforcement agencies.
By 1:45, demonstrators were coming up the Capitol steps and the event was officially declared a riot (which has legal implications for how the demonstrators can be treated).
By 2:15, the joint session of Congress had ended, and the Secret Service was evacuating VP Pence.
By 2:25, demonstrators were roaming around inside the Capitol, breaking into offices and looking for Nancy Pelosi, and Trump was tweeting to his followers that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution."
The first FBI agents arrived at the Capitol at 2:30. So by the time they got there, the demonstrators had already gotten into the Capitol and successfully disrupted the proceedings
Funny you mention proud boys because the DOJ admitted there were at least 40 FBI undercover informants part of the Porud boys group present on january 6. And out of 13 arrested 8 were FBI informants and never charged. Now what does that tell you about the role of those undercover informants?
Also what investigation has so many undercover informants? You would say 1 to 5 would be plenty if you just wanted information about a potential threat or an organisations dealings...
https://x.com/amuse/status/1643949926240...fbi-had%2F
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