'No big deal" Just an atmospheric phenomenon' some outages green energy absolved

[quintessentone]

Government needs to keep out of the energy industry as much as possible. 

Let the clean, cost effective technologies evole to the point where they are useful without all the government interference.

Cureent solar and wind are dirtier than what they are replacing. The increases mining of toxic substances. The lack of recycling of the materials that don't last anywhere near claims.

When the energy technology is ready to advance to take over for reasons of economy and environment, only then should it be adopted in such a large scale as is being forced to be attempted now.

We are throwing out the proven technologies years before the replacements are ready.

I disagree, I think governments are the ones with enough money to get modernization and new tech moving forward. It just seems governments keep dragging their feet.

[ArMaP]

Grok AI, along with all the other AI tools, includes thier disclaimer for thier limitations.

My mistake is that I thought AI Assist tools and their limitations were more common knowledge

No, your mistake was assuming I knew what Grok is.

Another, worse, mistake was not showing what was written by you and what was written by Grok, so I assumed the text of your post was done by yourself.

[putnam6]

No, your mistake was assuming I knew what Grok is.

Another, worse, mistake was not showing what was written by you and what was written by Grok, so I assumed the text of your post was done by yourself.

Judgmental much? My worst mistake was responding to your post at all...

I left the link off and added it back in with your reply, so now hopefully no other posters will have to go through the confusion you experienced 

I am, however, flattered you believe I would prose that well on an informal smallish message board...

Most people can pick up AI-assisted text like ChatGPT after a paragraph or two. 

https://x.com/i/grok/share/c1vUoV3lv4QeESxLsbY8AGuet

How widely used is Grok
 
 
Grok, developed by xAI, has seen significant growth in usage since the release of Grok 3 in February 2025. Here are key statistics and insights on its adoption as of mid-2025:

• User Base and Traffic: 
  • Grok has approximately 35.1 million monthly active users, with projections to reach 39.1 million by April 2025.
    
  • In March 2025, Grok recorded 202.7 million website visits, a 269% increase from 51.5 million in February 2025, and a massive jump from 1.2 million in January 2025.
    
  • Globally, daily visits to Grok’s web app (Grok.com) surged from 627,000 to 4.5 million in the days following Grok 3’s release, with U.S. daily visits increasing from 189,000 to over 900,000.
    
  • Mobile app downloads spiked 10x in the week of Grok 3’s launch, with U.S. daily active users rising 260% and global daily active users increasing 5x week-over-week.
    
• Demographics and Geographic Distribution:
  • The user base is predominantly male (72.59%), with females making up 27.41%. The largest age group is 18–34 years old, with 33.39% aged 25–34.
    
  • India leads with 32.97% of users, followed by the U.S. (14.35–22.04%), and China (9.13%).
    
• Engagement:
  • Users spend an average of 15 minutes and 28 seconds per session on Grok.com, viewing 4.53 pages per visit, indicating strong engagement.
    
  • The platform’s bounce rate is 41.95%, and 66.37% of traffic comes from direct visits, suggesting strong brand recognition.
    
  • Social media drives 12.11% of traffic, with YouTube (38.59%) and X (34.90%) being key sources.
    
• Access and Subscriptions:
  • Grok is free for all X users with usage limits (e.g., 10 queries every two hours for Grok-2, 20 for Grok-2 mini, and three image analyses daily).
    
  • Premium subscriptions (X Premium, X Premium+, SuperGrok) offer higher usage limits and access to advanced features like DeepSearch and Think. Approximately 1.4 million X Premium+ users are eligible for SuperGrok, though exact subscriber numbers are undisclosed.
    
  • As of March 2025, Grok is integrated into X, with 40% of X Premium+ subscribers having interacted with it at least once, and it has been used in over 100 million conversations.
    
• Comparative Context:
  • While Grok’s 35.1 million monthly active users are impressive, it trails behind OpenAI’s ChatGPT, which has 400 million weekly active users.
    
  • Grok holds an 8% share of the AI chatbot market, compared to ChatGPT’s 55%.
    
  • Its integration with X gives it a 6x higher adoption rate among X users and a 5x higher engagement rate among social media users compared to ChatGPT.
    
• Sentiment and Use Cases:
  • Posts on X highlight Grok’s appeal due to its real-time access to X data, with users citing it as a faster and more trustworthy alternative to Google for search.
    
  • It’s being used by diverse groups, including parents, teachers, and doctors, as a source and search engine, though some attribute its popularity to X integration rather than model superiority.
    
  • Grok’s features like DeepSearch, Think, and Grok Vision (launched April 2025) enhance its utility for research, coding, and real-world object analysis.
    

Summary: Grok has rapidly grown to tens of millions of users, driven by the Grok 3 release and its integration with X. Its user base is heavily male and skewed toward younger demographics, with strong traction in India and the U.S. While it lags behind ChatGPT in overall scale, its real-time data access and engagement metrics make it a competitive player in the AI chatbot space, with significant momentum in 2025.

[ArMaP]

Judgmental much?

Not really.

My worst mistake was responding to your post at all...

No.

I am, however, flattered you believe I would prose that well on an informal smallish message board...

Most people can pick up AI-assisted text like ChatGPT after a paragraph or two. 

Maybe English speaking people can, but English is not my first (or second) language.

And I don't use X/Twitter.

[putnam6]

Not really.


No.


Maybe English speaking people can, but English is not my first (or second) language.

And I don't use X/Twitter.

Well, bless your heart.

I am no doubt hindered by my US public school education, but I must endeavor to persevere.

[ArMaP]

For anyone interested, here's the 264 pages Factual Report.

The final report, along with recommendations, will be published sometime during the first quarter of 2026.

[rickymouse]

For anyone interested, here's the 264 pages Factual Report.

The final report, along with recommendations, will be published sometime during the first quarter of 2026.

My internet connection is so slow with my DSL landline that it took five minutes for a little of it to load, first three pages is all I got.  Hopefully the final report it will be shorter and say what happened to cause it.

[Maxmars]

I am sorry that I cannot carve away the time to read the entire 250+ pages...

I was impressed at the absence of a section entitled: "What the hell happened" and instead found a narrative written by someone covering all the asses of the innocent.

Narratives are necessary, I accept that...

But wiith any such document, my mind yearns for an explanation... not a "pre-explanation."

As an outsider, unfamiliar with the people and their focus on this matter, by now it must in the press as "old news."  US press seems uninterested outside the AP UPI feeds.

[putnam6]

I am sorry that I cannot carve away the time to read the entire 250+ pages...

I was impressed at the absence of a section entitled: "What the hell happened" and instead found a narrative written by someone covering all the asses of the innocent.

Narratives are necessary, I accept that...

But wiith any such document, my mind yearns for an explanation... not a "pre-explanation."

As an outsider, unfamiliar with the people and their focus on this matter, by now it must in the press as "old news."  US press seems uninterested outside the AP UPI feeds.

One has to ask... if you have to label a report "factual" doesn't that suggest this organization may submit reports that are not factual?  This doesn't seem to be the final factual report either did they take an old factual report and slap October 3rd 2025 on the title page.

If you can't dazzle them with the facts, baffle them with your bullshit?

What's most important?

Have they taken steps to mitigate it from occurring again?

I'm unable to verify whether that is a fact or not. 

Why does an American with clean efficient nuclear-supplied power(like me) even care?

https://x.com/i/grok/share/c1bQLQPCF6TXPU5TEUnm2GRDd
 

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IEA reports $280B total clean energy investment in 2023 (up from $200B in 2020), with federal policies as a key driver. The IRA alone is projected to deliver $369B in climate/energy spending over 10 years (~$37B/year average), but 2023–2024 saw accelerated rollout. Boston Fed analysis attributes ~10% of 2023's aggregate investment growth to green energy subsidies.International Green Energy AidThis falls under US "international public climate finance," targeting clean energy access, adaptation, and mitigation in developing countries. It's pledged via multilateral funds (e.g., Green Climate Fund) and bilateral aid, often through USAID and the State Department. The Biden administration targeted $11.4B annually by 2024, with ~40% for clean energy.

US State Department reports confirm $9.5B in 2023 (with $4.5B for clean energy) and over $11B in 2024. This quadruples prior levels but remains 1% of total federal foreign aid ($60B/year). Congress appropriated only ~$1B directly in FY2024, with the rest from reallocated funds and pledges.

 

The Expert Panel envisages completing the final report within approximately four months following the publication of this factual report. However, this timeline is purely indicative as it will largely depend on the complexity of the analyses that the Expert Panel will conduct and the related additional data that the Panel will need to collect accordingly.

 

NEXT STEPS This factual report highlights the exceptional and unprecedented nature of this incident, as it is the first time that a cascading series of disconnections of generation components along with voltage increases has been part of the sequence of events leading to a blackout in the Continental Europe Synchronous Area. Therefore, a timely and comprehensive determination of causes and future recommendations is crucial. Following the delivery of this factual report, in accordance with the ICS methodology, the Expert Panel investigating the blackout that occurred in Spain and Portugal on 28 April 2025 will develop a final report, which will notably cover the following: 1. Root causes » determine and analyse the root causes and contributing factors to the incident. 2. Voltage control » assess the operational planning procedures and voltage management tools and how they were applied on 28 April. » assess the operation of tap-changing transformers and its impacts. » assess the performance of generators regarding voltage. 3. Behaviour of different actors during the incident » determine the voltage withstand capabilities that the generators were required to withstand for the relevant disconnection event, as well as whether disconnections were conforming. » assess the impact of small generators connected to the DSOs grid, including whether additional actions and procedures are necessary to monitor and remedy a broader range of frequency oscillations. » investigate the performance of the system defence plans. » analyse the various steps of the restoration phase, including the efficacy of black-starts and the performance of the initial electricity islands. » analyse alarm handling in control centres of affected TSOs, DSOs and generators. 4. Additional assessments » assess voltage fluctuations that occurred on certain days prior to 28 April to better understand the circumstances occurred 28 April. » assess the operation of the HVDC link on 28 April. » assess the relevance of studies (including short-circuit, load flows, dynamic, oscillations) performed by TSOs, DSOs and operators of private networks. » assess the actions undertaken by the TSOs to mitigate oscillations during 28 April, as well as how these actions affected voltage conditions. » assess the cause(s) of the increased load on the transmission network concurrent with three episodes of frequency oscillations. » analyse additional datasets mentioned in other chapters of the factual report. » assess the security analyses from operational planning and real-time. The Expert Panel will also assess – to the maximum extent possible – whether the most relevant requirements for this incident arising from European and/or national regulations and contracts – such as those in the SO GL, the Connection Network Codes (e.g. RfG and DCC), the Emergency and Restoration Network Code (ER NC), Synchronous Area Framework Agreement (SAFA), national regulations (e.g. voltage control and voltage operational limits) or the TSO-DSO protocol on voltage control – were fulfilled, or whether any failures contributed to the incident possibly meaning that any future processes might require adjustment. Additionally, the final report will also establish recommendations to help prevent similar incidents in the future, not only in Spain and Portugal but across the entire European power system. As part of preparing the final report, the Expert Panel will invite key stakeholders to discuss the factual report and share their suggestions regarding the recommendations to be developed in the final report. The Expert Panel envisages completing the final report within approximately four months following the publication of this factual report. However, this timeline is purely indicative as it will largely depend on the complexity of the analyses that the Expert Panel will conduct and the related additional data that the Panel will need to collect accordingly.