Existence

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Why does anything even exist at all? It does seem like the default should be nothing instead of something, but here we are.

Apparently, there is a default that we are not privy? Or are we? How do we define nothing from which emerges something.

If you just take the Occams' razor and slice away to your hearts content and carve away everything there still remains something that makes everything possible. You can't see it or measure it, but it's there, and it won't go away – some liken it to God.

Ah yes, they mysteries of why things even exist, what existence actually is, and so on. I haven't done psychedelics in years.

That's a fruitless ponderance.

Like trying to give infinity a form. I'm fine with our finite material universe existing because it has to. While you cant observe infinity, unless you're Sanjay apparently, it exists in the maths of almost every idea that comes with universal creation theory.

String theory is nothing but infinity to have faith in because the equation says there are several extra infinite parameters. I think like 12 different versions by now. And after you pass all possible universal starting points, histories, and laws of physics, you have infinities of infinitiies going on.

Visualizing it is like the Mandlebrot Set that is infinitely curled up everywhere at once. You could imagine "zooming in" like viewing the higher dimensions. And that's the closest you're ever gonna get to observation of The Immaculate Chicken of Creation.

∞ + ☸ = ______

ETA 1:

Infinity and chaos can do anything, it just doesn't have intention or a specific universal blueprint for how it occurs. Sorta just collapses a certain way, from infinity, which becomes a finite form for us lowly single universe viewing observers.

ETA 2:

Yet when it's finite it become more trendy. You can see the ebbs and flows of bordered chaos and even make deterministic predictions therein.

You can view the program running, even model it forward and backward, but never have direct access to the programming that allows it to run. Never mind the nebulous infinite programmer. Though I've heard bordered chaos allows some degree of influence from the lowly single universe observer on the (in)deterministic outcomes.

My Alpha and Omega HAVE to be infinite. We're a bordered bubble universe of law that came from an infinite bulk/field/whatever of endless possibility.

More thinking than I wanted on a Saturday...

[UltraBudgie]

Visualizing it is like the Mandlebrot Set that is infinitely curled up everywhere at once. You could imagine "zooming in" like viewing the higher dimensions. And that's the closest you're ever gonna get to observation of The Immaculate Chicken of Creation.

a few weeks ago i was imagining the big reality as an infinite club sandwich of layered world simulations with the toothpick of awareness holding it all together, but now i can see it is alternating layers of chicken salad and egg salad on that sandwich! we have cracked the code! and the sandwich is cut into little fractal shaped pieces! and served on the back of a giant turtle! wait, that's discworld... okay i am being silly.

More thinking than I wanted on a Saturday...

yes perhaps me too you make good other points, but i am still on my first cup of coffee and while it was brewing i replied to a thread about government child trafficking and now sipping it to get the hell away from that depressing stuff i click here into deepthough land, sheesh its going to be one of those days isnt it?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

That's depressing. I incorporate what I am told is a degree of denial for the discomfort of those stories.

They're outgoing. While there may be a logical reasons for how you lose bureaucratic track of 320,000 Central American children, even if it is caused by standard practices and misleading testimony, it sounds like the official discrepancy is from no shows at hearings and loss on contact, not necessarily indicative of being lost or sponsored by criminal organizations. The testimony may paint a misleading and vastly overstated scenario.

Or it could be completely real and there are 320k slave children. They should probably get on with finding them right away. If it's real, they will. It's 320k children!

I'm also burnt out of it all. I want to hear about what they're going to do, not reminded again what it is the other they did.

"Well, how are you going to find them?"

[CCoburn]

Ah yes, they mysteries of why things even exist, what existence actually is, and so on. I haven't done psychedelics in years.

That's a fruitless ponderance.

It depends on who you are, and I wouldn't say "psychedelics" have played any significant role here. Only tried DMT once, and that was a somewhat stunted and short-lived scenario since the cartridge was compromised and much of it leaked out.

DMT was really nothing more than material constructs transforming to a kaleidoscope of colors; I learned nothing about "existence" from it, but maybe you actually need to "blast off" to Terrence McKenna land where the machine elves roam, the deer and the antelope play, and listen very carefully to what they have to say...

What difference does it make anyway? It's just one more point in a game of the plethoras of pointless ponderances people partake and parsecs from any real-life priorities. It's mostly a forum thing; the sort of thing forums are for.

And sometimes we post music that is in some way relatable, undercover angel (yeah, you with the angel wings)



Sometimes the music is good, and other times not so much, but if the shoe fits..., and would've posted the one with the dog but the quality wasn't as good – it's an inside thing.

[Quantum12]

We are here for soul in my thoughts…

Soul, our universe started with soul a soul that had energy left from time. A soul from the here to the now.

Who can measure 13 billion years ago. Is 13 billion really time or is it distance? It’s both. Our soul was formed by a digit. A digit that was so far away from nothing but so close to time that its energy caused motion.

[CCoburn]

Existence&Eternity


I think with existence and eternity one might wish to resolve how their individual consciousness meshes with the core eternal algorithmic cosmic machinery and how this is reiterated and played out through the eons and what exactly is implied with this individual consciousness versus a cosmic core consciousness

[CCoburn]

Unless you work with the stuff directly, complex manifold are practically useless, because explaining them is so abstruse. There's not exactly a wide audience for that stuff. So, in a real sense, if it doesn't exist on the "simple English" version of Wikipedia, it is imaginary thumb-twiddling. So, by that logic, all you're going to get are manifolds such as explained in https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifold

But remember math is a tool to model systems of perception of reality, so if you start by trying to understand the details of the math and then seeing how reality might match that, it's a backwards practice, isn't it?

 

They're probably applying mathematics in a context where it isn't relevant, so they reconcile with these bizarre micro-dimensions.

It's probably in the same ballpark as applying the D=M/V formula to a non-spatial existential singularity. Where this singularity is the only thing in existence, period, and yes, just to reiterate this means that there exists no physical space outside of/beyond this singularity(or primordial point).

This "non-spatial" parameter is often referred as a 'negative existence'. In the above formula where M(mass) is greater than zero and V(volume) is equal to zero D(density) is often said (or understood) to be infinte. However, this is also putting the cart before the horse as the primordial(or God) is not defined by mathematics but the other way around. I think though in lieu of "infinite" that 'undefined' would be preferable. Of course, though I would also venture a guess that all notable attributes of the primordial(or eternal) would be of virtually infinite quality, but it's just that "density" being a term within a mathematical formula seems a little 'off' to me for some reason although to a degree I can force myself to make some sense of it.

[CCoburn]

Existence


Existence transcends all things. It can be either positive or negative. Either it is or it isn't, when in fact, it is actually both, at the same time, eternally spinning around like Yin Yang Shurikens.


There is no rhyme nor reason of its origin. It just is...


Duality

[Blaine91555]

"stuck up"
adjective

1. Snobbish, conceited; believing oneself to be better than others; haughty; arrogant or egotistical.
   

What we are for thinking we are evolved enough even to begin to understand the nature and origins of the Universe.

We're All Just Bozos On The Bus

[Karl12]

Either consciousness derives from matter or the other way round.