Erika Kirk In Romania

[insider]

Was she even banned from Romania to begin with? This is a new theory to me, and it inspired me to finally sign up instead of continuing to lurk.

The allegation is that she was trafficking children for Mossad, but I've yet to hear anything convincing. The claims are unsubstantiated.
 

As per the current allegations that are surging online, years after all her done charity activities, claims are being made that the organization was expelled from Romania. It was because it was connected with child trafficking networks. All posts attempt to tie charity to much broader and historical concerns of certain evangelical ministries in certain Romanian towns. However, all these connects are just part of speculation. It is not a proven fact. They form the basis for viral questions about a potential travel ban.
 
Examining the verifiable records, the alarming claims have now started to disintegrate. The fact-checking investigations done by many outlets have sought official confirmation of such allegations. They have found conspicuous evidence of absence. Quite crucially, the searches of Romanian court records clearly show no listings in the name of Erika Kirk or the Romanian Angels program, in either of the criminal investigations.
Also, no Romanian government agency has ever issued a statement about barring/expelling Erika from the country. So, despite the contradicting idea of her ban, many reports indicate that Kirk did travel to Romania on varied occasions for charity work, and there were no reported legal restrictions or concerns.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/life...r-AA1NgGfN

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Was she even banned from Romania to begin with? This is a new theory to me, and it inspired me to finally sign up instead of continuing to lurk.

The allegation is that she was trafficking children for Mossad, but I've yet to hear anything convincing. The claims are unsubstantiated.
 


https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/life...r-AA1NgGfN

Not only are they unsubstantiated but the Twitter account they are saying has gone viral has a video that claims all of these allegations and then says halfway through the video "If they think they can threaten us, we will release all these files" so basically they aren't releasing anything which is really odd for someone that has so much evidence of these horrible things. Would take a shifty person not to. I expect everyone who is clamoring for the epstein client list to be perturbed that this Twitter schmuck isnt releasing his "list" too. Else it would be hypocritical.

In short, its baseless until they give something tangible

[angelchemuel]

Well, well, well, Grumpyoldman (I think) over on ATS, told us to watch out for Romania as it would be an even bigger deal than the corruption in Ukraine.
Rainbows
Jane

[Encia22]

Jane, that was the late The Redneck (R.I.P) who told us to stay out of Minnesota and watch Romania. 

If GOM also said it, then... food for thought. 

 

[Halfswede]

To be fair, and I'm not giving ANY credibility to this, charity/adoption work in any corrupt/poor country often has connections to trafficking, but it generally is completely unknown to the outside charity orgs.  There are just a lot of unattended/un-parented/poor-parented children, and lots of money (relatively speaking) to be made by dark market types taking advantage of the influx of outside money entering your country.

Haiti is a poster child for this. That said, it doesn't mean every charity is 'involved' in trafficking -- though surely some fall into corruption.

[BeTheGoddess]

Let their gods sort  them out.

[UltraBudgie]

Haiti is a poster child for this. That said, it doesn't mean every charity is 'involved' in trafficking -- though surely some fall into corruption.

Exactly. Remember when the pizza-people were all up in arms about the Clintons "child trafficking in Haiti"?

On January 29, 2010, less than three weeks after the earthquake, Haitian authorities arrested ten U.S. Baptist missionaries for attempting to take 33 children by bus across the border into the Dominican Republic without proper documentation. A week later, the missionaries were charged with child kidnapping and criminal association. While the missionaries claimed good intentions and ignorance of Haitian laws, Haitian prosecutors argued that there had been intentional wrong doing. In the course of a month, President Clinton brokered the release of all the missionaries, except for the group leader, Laura Silsby.

Suspicions about Silsby’s intent to smuggle or traffic the children to the Dominican Republic further increased, when on March 19, 2010, Silsby’s legal advisor, Jorge Torres-Puello, an American-Dominican living in the Dominican Republic as a fugitive was arrested and accused of human trafficking. U.S. authorities revealed that Torres-Puello was “linked to a network that trafficked in Haitian and Central American children and [was]wanted in the United States, El Salvador and Costa Rica.”

“Hillary has a long history of interest in Ms. Silsby. Wikileak emails dating back till at least 2001 have been found in her archives discussing Laura’s NGO. Laura had claimed she planned to build an orphanage in the Dominican Republic, but authorities in the country said she never submitted an application for this purpose. They instead located to Haiti.”

https://www.clintonfoundationtimeline.co...-in-haiti/

Hilary was just trying to help because she and her husband love children! Especially orphans. Yet the evil right tried to turn that into something bad...

[Maxmars]

But...if I may add...

Like certain kinds of people anywhere, they congregate where the "opportunity" meets the pavement.

"Charity" is used as an opening to 'acquire' the little human beings who are literally defenseless.

That beautiful, uplifting bastion of the rescue of hope, the "proof" we cling to that "people do care about each other, all things considered..."   

"Charity" was a virtue left undefended, but worse... untended.  In the name of charity people grift, graft, steal, as the "opportunity."

It's like watching a good neighborhood kid being gently convinced to join a gang and sell drugs on the corner...  and he or she is not your kid.

Because charity efforts are - once again - "used" to create an image that breeds virtuous pride.  That effort, feeding the hungry, is about engendering 'gratitude'... and 'moral debt.,' and social currency (as in trust and prestige.)

We need to have leadership in the open - and as concerned about the ugliness they bring as they are with their glowing image of heroic virtue.

"Healing" human suffering is not supposed to be "about" the fixer... it's focus is about the sufferer.
Otherwise it's just more "reality TV" produced by virtue signaling activists, and political hucksters.

So now little children get siphoned up and (with the literal "trust of a child") follow those people we openly present as "helpers".... yet they are not, just employees... 'successful,' in a another way.

And it keeps happening, and happening... 

And the second-cousin of some villain is crying out about political injustice... on the front page.
This dys-utopian reality is right up there with slavery...STILL ALIVE AND THRIVING world-wide...
You would think there would press coverage, no?

And then there are those who (again) "use" the accusation of child predation for "fun and profit" - especially the media and their mind-thralls... who collectively somehow always to remain there, on the spot... never actually discovering anything (ever,) but since they are forbidden to report or "investigate" they just use their 'media products'... "for effect."

[IAMTAT]

Well, well, well, Grumpyoldman (I think) over on ATS, told us to watch out for Romania as it would be an even bigger deal than the corruption in Ukraine.
Rainbows
Jane

Anyone know what happened to Grumpy?
There was nobody quite like him on ATS.

[rickymouse]

To be fair, and I'm not giving ANY credibility to this, charity/adoption work in any corrupt/poor country often has connections to trafficking, but it generally is completely unknown to the outside charity orgs.  There are just a lot of unattended/un-parented/poor-parented children, and lots of money (relatively speaking) to be made by dark market types taking advantage of the influx of outside money entering your country.

Haiti is a poster child for this. That said, it doesn't mean every charity is 'involved' in trafficking -- though surely some fall into corruption.

Well, technically all of the charity agencies hauling children for adoption are actually trafficking them to the people who are adopting them.  Trafficking kids includes relocating kids to people who will be adopting them or placing them into homes.  So the people writing this trash are unaccountable for their deceit because they can tie good intentions of people to corrupt intentions by deceiving people to believe in their BS. 

I am sure that there are some kids placed into homes where there are problems through the Christian networks, but a majority of them are put into good homes.  Deceivers prey on people's good intentions to gain wealth or prestige for their own personal gain....so some will definitely try to obtain children they can abuse by decieving others trying to do good things.

I have known a lot of different kinds of people in my life, including people who love to trick other people.  And even people who are being praised as good, are sometimes just doing it to gain prestige in the group they are trying to impress...when in reality they are BSing others into believing they are better than others. Charities are sometimes corrupt, and in most churches there are some people who are not good people, some go to church for personal gain, both financially...like going there to gain employment from other members of the church....or to gain prestige.  A lot of politicians go to church just to gain support from the church members to gain power.  Christianity, like all religions has members that go just for prestige or wealth gain for the customer base of the church.  Some of the predominant members of the church my family went to when I was young, owned businesses where church members shopped, and one bank president had most of the congregation as customers of the bank they were part of.

But these people who owned businesses and were heads of banks usually donated money to church programs too, and the city politicians were re-elected and would help churches get local events in the community with no charges so they had little costs involved in their functions...and it also benefitted other people in society whether they went to the church or not....

This is how it was explained to me when I brought it up at church one day with some of the elders, and I did investigate the positive of it and it was true, a lot of good came out of the churches in our area.  I have been a skeptic all my life, and even when I was a teenager, I used to verify what I heard utilizing multiple methods to verify it...If I did not have the ability to verify it...I kept quiet, I never liked spreading rumors.