Do you remember 1978?

[Sirius]

-not sure where to start this thread

I think about this lecture often and try and imagine what the time was like for Isaac Asimov to say these things. 1978 isn't that long ago

Here Isaac Asimov is speaking about educating woman and not treating them like baby factories

in addition the brainpower of the human species will automatically be doubled as
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far as honest use of it was concerned without adding a single person to the actual population might be more than
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doubled we've never given women a chance they may be smarter than us

 

say to me how are you going to persuade all the different places on the earth to
grant equal rights to women even macho communities like south of the border and old and old traditional places where
women have for thousands of years been considered a domestic animal somewhat
higher than the ox perhaps but definitely lower than the horse and I
feel I feel that what's going to happen is as
population goes up is going to be clear to governments all over the world that
things are just going very bad and I'll have to do something and I'm convinced
that there'll be no way of handling the problem humanely except by giving women
equality forcing women to accept really quality 

[Sirius]

What made me think about this today? Luna. Every time she starts talking I think "holy shit, clever" and I wonder what environment she grew up in.

The comments on the Joe Rogan podcast was all around how pretty she is. On Danny's podcast she seems to be attacked in the comments. Something is suspect here. 

[Sirius]

1988, thought provoking stuff. There is a flaw in the plan though.

https://billmoyers.com/content/isaac-asi...an-reason/

MOYERS: How many people do you think the earth is able to sustain?

ASIMOV: I don’t think it’s able to sustain the five billion in the long run. So that, I mean, right now, most of the world is living under appalling conditions. And we can’t possibly improve the conditions of everyone. We can’t raise the entire world to the average standard of living in the United States, because I don’t think we have the resources and the ability to distribute well enough for that. We have condemned, right now as it is, most of the world to a miserable starvation-level of existence. And it will just get worse as the population continues to go up.

MOYERS: But you just can’t say to a woman, “Don’t have children.”

ASIMOV: Well, you know, it’s not so much that. It’s so many people are saying, “Have children.” There is such a pro-natalist attitude in the world. We celebrate Mother’s Day so enthusiastically, we say, “May all your troubles be little ones.” We celebrate additional children. I feel sometimes that if we’d only stop pushing for children, that somehow there’d be fewer of them.

MOYERS: Why did you say that the price of survival is the equality of women?

ASIMOV: Because if women have full ability to enter into all facets of the human condition, if they can enter business, if they can enter religion, science, government, on an equal basis with men, they will be so busy that they won’t feel it as necessary to have a great many children. As long as you have women under conditions where they don’t feel any sense of value, no self-worth except as mothers, except as baby factories, they’ll have a lot of children. Because that’s the only way they can prove they’re worth something.

In general, if you look through the world, the lower the status of women, the higher the birth rate. And the higher the birth rate, the lower the status of women. So that if you could somehow raise the status of women, I am certain the birth rate will fall drastically through the choice of the women themselves.

[MichSwampbuck]

I remember the article I read in 1978 in the science section of the Detroit News newspaper. It was summer, and my friend walked over to my place and showed me an article entitled "Killer Cell" about a biological weapon developed by our military that attacked human T-cells. It was a virus that would disable the immune system, allowing other common diseases to kill the enemy. It was a few years later that they had that global moratorium on biological weapons production, so it's a good thing that research ended long ago. 

[Sirius]

I remember the article I read in 1978 in the science section of the Detroit News newspaper. It was summer, and my friend walked over to my place and showed me an article entitled "Killer Cell" about a biological weapon developed by our military that attacked human T-cells. It was a virus that would disable the immune system, allowing other common diseases to kill the enemy. It was a few years later that they had that global moratorium on biological weapons production, so it's a good thing that research ended long ago. 

hmmm, I see where you are going with that. Not touching it, but that would have helped the plan yes.

[UltraBudgie]

Ah Dr Asimov! Such a prolific writer. I like his little poem from 1966:

THE PRIME OF LIFE

It was, in truth, an eager youth
    Who halted me one day.
He gazed in bliss at me, and this
    Is what he had to say:

"Why, mazel tov, it's Asimov,
    A blessing on your head!
For many a year, I've lived in fear
    That you were long since dead.

Or if alive, one fifty-five
    Cold years had passed you by,
And left you weak, with poor physique,
    Thin hair and rheumy eye.

For sure enough, I've read your stuff
    Since I was but a lad
And couldn't spell or hardly tell
    The good yarns from the bad.

My father, too, was reading you
    Before he met my Ma.
For you he earned, once he had learned
    About you from his Pa.

Since time began, you wondrous man,
    My ansestors did love
That s.f. dean and writing machine
    The aged Asimov."

I'd had my fill. I said: "Be still!
    I've kept my old-time spark.
My step is light, my eye is bright,
    My hair is thick and dark."

His smile, in brief, spelled disbelief,
    So this is what I did;
I scowled, you know, and with one blow,
    I killed that rotten kid.

https://tallinn.cold-time.com/texts/BOOK...rs.txt.htm

I suppose one could forgive all the accusations of him being a serial groper? After all that's just what men did in those days. And the women probably wanted it!

I understand he wrote this little gem in five days, on a bet:



Great stuff! Certainly enjoyed his work as a kid. IASFM was loaded with savoury hallucinations.

Thank Science for Doctor A!

[ANNEE]

How about 1974?

 50 Years Ago, Women Won Equal Access to Credit. Not that long ago, banks were requiring male cosigners. Equal access to credit helped women build financial independence.

As recently as 1974, banks were legally allowed to deny women credit or charge them higher interest if they failed to get a male cosigner. But that year, on Oct. 28, President Gerald Ford signed into law the Fair Credit Opportunity Act, giving women the right to open a credit card in their own name.

https://www.kiplinger.com/personal-finan...-to-credit

[RazorV66]

How about 1974?

 50 Years Ago, Women Won Equal Access to Credit. Not that long ago, banks were requiring male cosigners. Equal access to credit helped women build financial independence.

As recently as 1974, banks were legally allowed to deny women credit or charge them higher interest if they failed to get a male cosigner. But that year, on Oct. 28, President Gerald Ford signed into law the Fair Credit Opportunity Act, giving women the right to open a credit card in their own name.

https://www.kiplinger.com/personal-finan...-to-credit

How about 2025?

When the Left believes its ok to have biological men compete in women's sports.

As a woman, you should be ashamed of shitting on women's rights.

[UltraBudgie]

Also let's not forget the inimitable Robert Heinlein:

We were told, when Votes-for-Women was new, that women would bring higher moral standards and would eliminate the graft and corruption which the nasty old men had tolerated.

Women have had an effect—they caused the installation of a powder room in the Senate's sacred halls; they changed the atmosphere of conventions from that of a prize fight to something more like a college reunion, and they broadened the refreshments at political doings from a simple diet of beer and pigs knuckles to a point where the menu now includes ice cream and cake, little fancy sandwiches, coffee, and wine cooler. The change in refreshments is a distinct improvement; I don't like pigs knuckles.

They have also brought political corruption to a new low.

Whoops! Easy, girls—please! Quiet down. There are exceptions to all rules—you may be the exception to this one. That is for you to determine. Judge yourself.

A great many women are willing to go to hell in a wheel barrow. Their husbands may be politically just as dishonest but the gentle sex are usually willing to sell out at a lower price. They go in for cut-rate corruption. If you file for office, or become the manager of a candidate, you will quickly be besieged by telephone calls from women who want to help in your campaign. They sound like enthusiastic volunteers; you will find very quickly that they are political streetwalkers who will support any candidate and any issue, without compunction, for a very low price.

Brush them off, but politely—a practical politician should never go out of his way to make anyone sore; your purpose is to win elections, not arguments. Let the opposition hire them. They are hardly worth the low price they charge, even to him. Later on in the campaign you will find that he hired one of them a little sooner than you had expected; she worked as an unpaid volunteer all through the campaign in your office and turned in nightly reports to the opposition.

Don't let it throw you. As a politician you must learn to expect such little disappointments. And don't let it shake your faith in human nature. If you take the trouble to count up you will find that you know many more people who are certainly honest than the number who are just as certainly crooked. The crooks just seem more numerous because they get in your hair more.

I am inclined to believe, although I am not sure, that the average difference in political honesty between men as a group and women as a group in this country is actually considerable and not just a matter of a lower pay scale for corruption on the part of women. As a result of punching thousands of doorbells and talking with many, many men and women I am of the opinion that women usually know less about political issues than men and consequently are less inclined to realize that political issues are of moral consequence. This probably results in part from the fact that most women, in their daily occupations, are not thrown out into the world to the same extent as their men folk and consequently never really find out what makes the wheels go around.

Furthermore, the husband is inclined to encourage the little woman to remain in ignorance; it gives him a chance to show off at home how much he knows without betraying just how little it is—since it is still more than she knows.

In any case, I have heard hundreds of times, in campaigning from door to door, this remark: "Oh, I leave everything of that sort up to my husband!" And she does, too—she doesn't know a filibuster from first base and she thinks an alderman is something to hang clothes on.

So, when somebody tips her off that she can pick up a few dollars in a campaign year by a little light work in her neighborhood, she is ripe for it, gullible, willing to work for low wages, and so naive she doesn't know that it's loaded. It won't even worry her to work for the candidate George is voting against, because she does not think it matters. She can work in a dozen campaigns and never find out anything about men nor issues; she just knows that State Senator Slotmachine is such a nice man and here is some literature about him and would you like to have a car sent around to take you to the polls?

Slotmachine is a nice man, too—he's an old hand in this business; his public personality is a work of art. You would enjoy having dinner with him.

After a while, if she is bright enough to mark a sample ballot, she does notice a few things, but it does not wise her up to what she is doing; it simply makes her utterly cynical about politics. She becomes convinced that the shoddy business she has been associated with is the only brand of politics in existence. Nothing will change her junior-size mind on the subject and she is forever lost to your side.

So don't hire her and don't bother to try to convert her. The women volunteers who work for you, free, can get ten votes to the one she can round up for Slotmachine.

https://www.amazon.com/Take-Back-Governm...1612420613

[Sirius]

How about 1974?

 50 Years Ago, Women Won Equal Access to Credit. Not that long ago, banks were requiring male cosigners. Equal access to credit helped women build financial independence.

As recently as 1974, banks were legally allowed to deny women credit or charge them higher interest if they failed to get a male cosigner. But that year, on Oct. 28, President Gerald Ford signed into law the Fair Credit Opportunity Act, giving women the right to open a credit card in their own name.

https://www.kiplinger.com/personal-finan...-to-credit

So kids born up till 2000 about was probably being born and raised under the "old guard" still. Culture wouldn't have dropped of overnight

2006: Tarana Burke, a survivor of sexual violence, started the Me Too movement to provide support, resources, and healing for young women of color in low-wealth communities

2017: The movement went viral as a hashtag, #MeToo, after actress Alyssa Milano encouraged people to use it following allegations of sexual misconduct against Harvey Weinstein

dates seem to fit. very interesting