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(11-16-2025, 12:31 PM)quintessentone Wrote: In group, out group bias theory.
Two separate factors: love (in group - patriotism) and aggression (out group - e.g. nationalism causing hate of other nations/cultures).
Hate = fear within ourselves (people hate asylum seekers - fear losing their jobs - externalizing fear).
Hate = challenges with their own identities (requirement of hate to continue to be a member of the in group).
Can't help myself  worked for a known self-help guru.
As I've said before -- I lived before the Fair Housing Act - where different ethnic groups all lived amongst themselves geographically -- "those people over there".
It was easier to live in an all-white Chrisitian neighborhood of "your own kind". Does that make it right in a global world?
Is Fear and Hate the same thing?
Tried to watch video -- something did not compute.
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(11-16-2025, 12:46 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Can't help myself worked for a known self-help guru.
As I've said before -- I lived before the Fair Housing Act - where different ethnic groups all lived amongst themselves geographically -- "those people over there".
It was easier to live in an all-white Chrisitian neighborhood of "your own kind". Does that make it right in a global world?
Is Fear and Hate the same thing?
Tried to watch video -- something did not compute.
So with this Fair Housing Act, do the young people of different ethnic groups still keep to their own kind there and in their schools? If so, who or what is promoting/indoctrinating that behaviour? I don't see it in the Catholic based schools here, rather they say (and mean it) that everyone is welcome.
Fear seems to be a requirement to push some people into hate and but then into what type of hate? The type that pushes someone to commit harm against others?
"The more one fears it, the more one builds hate rooted in that fear."
The Power of Hate and Its Consequences | Psychology Today
"The only journey is the one within."
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(11-16-2025, 01:42 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: The left does rage against the "fascist" and "intolerant" conservatives, so perhaps there's something to becoming what you set out to hate...
Not to go off topic, but you don't fight "fascism" by killing, silencing, HATING,
your opponent.
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11-16-2025, 02:09 PM
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(11-16-2025, 01:13 PM)quintessentone Wrote: So with this Fair Housing Act, do the young people of different ethnic groups still keep to their own kind there and in their schools? If so, who or what is promoting/indoctrinating that behaviour? I don't see it in the Catholic based schools here, rather they say (and mean it) that everyone is welcome.
Fear seems to be a requirement to push some people into hate and but then into what type of hate? The type that pushes someone to commit harm against others?
"The more one fears it, the more one builds hate rooted in that fear."
The Power of Hate and Its Consequences | Psychology Today
In my public grade-school -- children did co-mingle at school. But not after school. After they each went home to their own kind. There weren't "play dates" -- there were neighborhoods. As far as churches -- there are still segregated churches.
I'd say most fear is taught (not counting physical harm fear -- like from fire or wild animals).
Fear of differences.
And I agree taught fear can turn into hate.
Acting on fear/hate is a whole 'nother discussion.
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(11-16-2025, 10:57 AM)DBCowboy Wrote: I wish I was a better person and could separate the two, the sin and the sinner.
I guess all we can do is try.
Mindfulness, Metta, and equanimity meditation seem to help a little.
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(11-16-2025, 02:15 PM)Solvedit Wrote: Mindfulness, Metta, and equanimity meditation seem to help a little.
I could hate the sin, and just want the sinner punished severely.

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I dont really hate unless its personal and they truly go out of their way to hurt me, like its a sport to see how fucked up they can be....
And those examples get counted on a single hand and not applicable here.
As far as impersonal hatred, it doesnt exist. But I can loathe a person's actions all I want.
Like the Ohio father that killed his children as his psycho way of not accepting a divorce and losing control of his wife.
It would be easy to hate that squalid piece of broken toy, but he's just another natural born killer of passed on abuse, that was already too defective to break the cycle. She was going to take her kids and break the cycle before it was too late for them too.
Is it hatred or does he demostrate the worst qualities of human life?
He's a host for a parasitic demon unconscious that gives him retributive satisfaction from slaying his children - to get back at his wife - for not wanting to be abused anymore.
It's really really easy to, but I dont hate him.
I just think his behavior makes him the type of creature that deserves to be beaten to death by former relationship abuse victims.
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11-16-2025, 03:42 PM
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(11-16-2025, 01:35 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: How many leftists are MAGA now?

MAGA might be better at forgiving and praying for them.
However, if they could feel MAGAs, what makes you think they could be sensible enough to learn from it? What if they don't like what they'd get by honestly working their own talents for a fair wage? That's why freedom and Christianity or Buddhism aren't liked by many. They are trying to make some denominations over into Islam these days, I believe. People are led to believe they can fill the void with possessions.
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