Disclosure has begun

[Astyanax]

You also can not prove others' experiences/realities are in fact delusions. So here we are.

Oh, I have no interest in disproving any such claims. I simply disbelieve them and that’s that. Any sensible person would do the same. The world is full of people making false claims – one simply ignores them. Proof is the gold standard.

And, as I said earlier, the burden of proof on cases like this is always on the claimant. As old Carl Sagan observed, ‘extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.’

[Astyanax]

As a retired USA DOD Federal Confidential Registered Source and Expert...

Neither ‘USA Federal Confidential Registered Source’ nor ‘DOD Federal Confidential Registered Source’ nor ‘USA Federal Confidential Registered Expert’ nor ‘DOD Federal Confidential Registered Expert’ returns any hits related to UFOs or anything else. These titles do not exist. Google, trying to be helpful, suggests a list of references to expert court witnesses.

Good try, but high-risk. And your credibility is shot all to hell now.

[ANNEE]

Can’t prove God - angels - demons - or biblical Jesus. 

Science can’t prove what causes Left-handedness either.

Lots of things defy ability to prove without a doubt. 

Someone tells me they walked across the street to the donut shop. 

Didn’t happen cuz I didn’t see it.

[ArMaP]

As old Carl Sagan observed, ‘extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.’

I never liked that observation, as you never know what kind of evidence may exist for any claim, extraordinary or ordinary.

But I never liked Carl Sagan either.

[quintessentone]

Oh, I have no interest in disproving any such claims. I simply disbelieve them and that’s that. Any sensible person would do the same. The world is full of people making false claims – one simply ignores them. Proof is the gold standard.

And, as I said earlier, the burden of proof on cases like this is always on the claimant. As old Carl Sagan observed, ‘extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.’

So as you dismiss others' extraterrestrial claims of contact/abduction so you too are dismissing the UAP videos recently released even though they are labelled as unexplainable by the top government military and scientists. Isn't this extraordinary evidence in a sense?

[quintessentone]

I never liked that observation, as you never know what kind of evidence may exist for any claim, extraordinary or ordinary.

But I never liked Carl Sagan either.

Au contraire Carl!

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"A direct counter to Carl Sagan’s aphorism is the assertion that all claims require only sufficient evidence, regardless of how unusual they may seem.  Critics, including sociologist Marcello Truzzi (who coined the earlier variant "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof") and modern skeptics like immunologist Garry P. Nolan, argue that the "Sagan Standard" is subjective and often used to arbitrarily shift the burden of proof. 
Key counter-arguments include:

• Subjectivity of "Extraordinary": Determining what constitutes an extraordinary claim is highly subjective and can lead to bias, potentially dismissing valid but counter-intuitive scientific discoveries. 
  
• Bayesian Inference: Scientifically, this concept is better understood as Bayesian inference, where the weight of evidence must be proportional to the prior probability of the hypothesis, rather than a rigid demand for "extraordinary" proof. 
  
• Historical Precedent: The idea predates Sagan, appearing in works by David Hume (1748) and Pierre-Simon Laplace (1810), who noted that belief should be proportioned to evidence without defining a separate category of "extraordinary" evidence. 
  
• Practical Criticism: Some argue that ordinary evidence is sufficient if it meets the rigorous standards of the specific scientific field, and that demanding "extraordinary" evidence can hinder scientific progress by creating an impossible or moving goalpost." (LLM)
  

[quintessentone]

Will other countries start releasing unexplained UAP data/videos they have in their possession as well?

In the video: there are Japanese depictions of UAPs, but I'm thinking that automatons were popular at that time, so there is that, then again, maybe it is just a Japanese myth or some sort of underwater submarine prototype.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_submarines




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"Japan has not yet released UAP files, but Chief Cabinet Secretary Minoru Kihara confirmed in May 2026 that the government possesses UAP data, including video footage, and will begin public disclosure on a case-by-case basis subject to national security constraints. 

• Current Status: Tokyo is actively analyzing 161 declassified Pentagon files released by the Trump administration, specifically reviewing footage of unidentified objects recorded near Japanese airspace and the East China Sea. 
  
• Political Pressure: A bipartisan group of roughly 80 Japanese lawmakers formed a UAP investigation group in 2024 and is urging the creation of a dedicated government office for aerial anomaly investigations. 
  
• Security Concerns: The Defense Ministry previously suspected objects spotted over Japan between 2019 and 2021 were Chinese spy balloons, framing current UAP interest primarily as a matter of national defense and surveillance monitoring." (LLM)
  

[bastion]

I watched some of the videos, including the one with the star shaped object, which is by far the most intriguing.

Grainy sensor videos that basically show nothing but contrasted points of light or darkness.

We know nothing more now than we did before they released them.

Thanks.

Agreed that;s the most intruiging of the lot and that the releases are a bit 'meh'.

The star shape wiuld be a very bad shape for aerodynamics using the current understanding of physics so I'm more inclined to think it's a lens flare (no idea if such things happen in infra-red) surrounding something pretty mundane.

[ARM1968]

Not sure alien or NHI craft are all that concerned with aerodynamics. The manoeuvres some of these craft appear to make defy logic and certainly physics as we know it, at least as far as the safety of their occupants are concerned. Add in to that we rarely get images of them that aren’t blurred, which suggests some sort of field around them. They are certainly here, but did they come here or have they been here all along?  Perhaps both. I think we may find out for sure very soon.

[ANNEE]

Not sure alien or NHI craft are all that concerned with aerodynamics. The manoeuvres some of these craft appear to make defy logic and certainly physics as we know it, at least as far as the safety of their occupants are concerned. Add in to that we rarely get images of them that aren’t blurred, which suggests some sort of field around them. They are certainly here, but did they come here or have they been here all along?  Perhaps both. I think we may find out for sure very soon.

I believe they have been here all along.  

Earth formed ~2–3 Myr (million years) after Jupiter’s early runaway growth phase began, but both are part of the same ~4.6 billion-year-old solar system.  And that's only our solar system.

Not saying Jupiter can sustain life -- just pointing out stuff was happening long before earth began.