Dept. of education accomplishments

[baddmove]

As we say goodbye to the Department of Education, I would like to take a moment to list all of its accomplishments over the past 45 years:
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Hmm, I couldn't find any.

[Cre8Chaos]

I can. How about controlling what they want our kids to know and beeing as influential as they are, cause disruptions to the mental health of many many people when they were young. Just saying. It could be positive .... a good teacher who believes in you but it can be bad..... making an 8 yo choose what gender they want to be... or making the learning disabled child ( no one me) labeled as that dumb kid... and perpetuating that people with differences are infact not like them by giving the child a hard time in class..... 

Reason 100000000000 to become a teaacher...... celebrate childrens potential and accommodate acceptionallities into a nurturing space. ..... 

Hated the tests they made us take... Much of the kiterature given to srudents only seperated differences not brought everyone together. Not sure if there are many books out there for kids like that... but there should be. 

I'm rambling on.... but those athose feelings. My experiences. 

The department of education has caused headache after headache for teachers with the agendas on top of the accountabilities. Bringing the schools back to the states will benefit those who are in states who do not push odiologies in school. Many states will... and if that's the case and you have kids.... concider home school or moving to a high achieving state of choice.

[Maxmars]

The concept of a federal-level Department of Education was a power grab... nothing more.

Slathered in virtue signals, platitudes, and 'psychobabble' sociology... they sought to control the platform where the citizens most precious investment starts their journey into adulthood.

They offered 'harmonious understanding' of 'vital civic and life-building skills" they promised "moral" standards, and the encouragement of virtuous citizenship....

[at this point Monty Python editors insert footage of a young college student crapping on a flag to the cheers of masked onlookers.]

They didn't even teach our children to communicate... or why they should.

Take a hard look at whose words are being repeated and amplified... it tells.... it tells.

[sahgwa]

As we say goodbye to the Department of Education, I would like to take a moment to list all of its accomplishments over the past 45 years:
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Hmm, I couldn't find any.

Here's some history for people like me that never even thought about it.
 Early into his term, Carter collaborated with Congress to fulfill his campaign promise to create a cabinet-level education department. In an address from the White House on February 28, 1978, Carter argued "Education is far too important a matter to be scattered piecemeal among various government departments and agencies, which are often busy with sometimes dominant concerns."[sup][216][/sup] On February 8, 1979, the Carter administration released an outline of its plan to establish an education department and asserted enough support for the enactment to occur by June.[sup][217][/sup] On October 17, the same year, Carter signed the Department of Education Organization Act into law,[sup][218][/sup] establishing the United States Department of Education.[sup][219][/sup]
Carter added 43,000 children and families to the Head Start program,[sup][220][/sup] while the percentage of nondefense dollars spent on education was doubled.[sup][221][/sup] In a speech on November 1, 1980, Carter stated his administration had extended Head Start to migrant children.[sup][222]



My own take is that education should be first and foremost the purview of the parents and the educators, and then the state ultimately last. 
Children should learn what they want to learn, and what their parents want them to learn, and what the professional educator thinks is most useful to themselves and society.
Personally I am all for the 3 'r's as well as bringing back Logic in schools as well as elocution/diction/communication.[/sup]

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Well... you know, they did do FAFSA and Pell grants.  And it saves a lot of money on student loans. (I guess they are saving that) 

But they also screwed up plenty, like with No Every Gifted Child Left Behind in 2002. 

But I REALLY think the only reason we are having a eulogy thread for the Department of Education is the world's EPIC transphobia, along JK Rowling lines.

It's like the less spoken real reason nobody will acknowledge and hide it under a veil of government waste and inefficiency. They killed the DOE for the half of the society that doesnt like DEI and boys playing girls sports.

And now without the less important DOE, that is something to leverage/revenge against states and hold their money hostage to force them to appease the JK Rowlings of their culture before they can get back their government money.

[quintessentone]

Well... you know, they did do FAFSA and Pell grants.  And it saves a lot of money on student loans. (I guess they are saving that) 

But also screwed up with No Every Gifted Child Left Behind over 20 years ago.

But I REALLY think the only reason we are having a eulogy thread for the Department of Education is the world's EPIC transphobia, along JK Rowling lines.

It's like the unspoken real reason nobody will acknowledge and hide it under a veil of government waste.

And now without the less important DOE, that is something to leverage/revenge against states and hold their money hostage to force them to appease the JK Rowlings of their culture before they can get back their government money.

There is the opinion that your governments (varied over time) just have not kept up with inflation, so underfunding is being pointed out as being the reason. Is Trump's government further underfunding the education system?

"Ironically, despite the United States having the best-surveyed education system on the globe, U.S students consistently score lower in math and science than students from many other countries. According to a Business Insider report in 2018, the U.S. ranked 38th in math scores and 24th in science. Discussions about why the United States’ education rankings have fallen by international standards over the past three decades frequently point out that government spending on education has failed to keep up with inflation.It’s also worthwhile to note that while the Best Countries study is certainly respectable, other studies use different methodologies or emphasize different criteria, which often leads to different results. For example, the Global Citizens for Human Rights’ annual study measures ten levels of education from early childhood enrollment rates to adult literacy. Its final 2020 rankings look a bit different:
Education Rates of Children Around the WorldMost findings and ranking regarding education worldwide involve adult literacy rates and levels of education completed. However, some studies look at current students and their abilities in different subjects.
 
One of the most-reviewed studies regarding education around the world involved 470,000 fifteen-year-old students. Each student was administered tests in math, science, and reading similar to the SAT or ACT exams (standardized tests used for college admissions in the U.S.) These exam scores were later compiled to determine each country’s average score for each of the three subjects. Based on this study, China received the highest scores, followed by Korea, Finland, Hong Kong, Singapore, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, Australia and the Netherlands.
 
On the down side, there are many nations whose educational systems are considered inadequate. This could be due to internal conflict, economic problems, or underfunded programs. The United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization’s Education for All Global Monitoring Report ranks the following countries as having the world’s worst educational systems: ..."

Education Rankings by Country 2025

World Best Education Systems

Education Spending - Our World in Data

[Maxmars]

@quintessentone

With all respect... you lost me at United Nations...

I'll spare you my diatribe... (because that will be to everyone's relief! )

Ultimately analysis based upon modeling has proven inadequate to address the fundamental issues which are the determinants of this idea that "Education" can be "outlined/structured/consistent."  It never has been, and I think it never can be - unless enforced by law.... 

"Law" does not function unless the people under 'it' say "yes." 
Hence crime will never "end" unless "law" does.

I will not be among those who say "The UN says..." means it's "good" for anybody.

(I promise my anti-UN rant would have been epic....
I'm in one of those moods...
a member of my cat family died today.)

[quintessentone]

@quintessentone

With all respect... you lost me at United Nations...

I'll spare you my diatribe... (because that will be to everyone's relief! )

Ultimately analysis based upon modeling has proven inadequate to address the fundamental issues which are the determinants of this idea that "Education" can be "outlined/structured/consistent."  It never has been, and I think it never can be - unless enforced by law.... 

"Law" does not function unless the people under 'it' say "yes." 
Hence crime will never "end" unless "law" does.

I will not be among those who say "The UN says..." means it's "good" for anybody.

(I promise my anti-UN rant would have been epic....
I'm in one of those moods...
a member of my cat family died today.)

My condolences to you and your family, I know how some felines can wriggle and purr their way into one's heart.

Well, as to the UN, I understand, but they are just one of many sources that can be looked at, just go to the bottom of that source, for other sources and do a comparison of data.

[FlyersFan]

Hmm, I couldn't find any.

Left wing political indoctrination in required teaching/books.  
Idiotic "new math".   
Bad science insisting that men can give birth and that women can grow beards.
Antisemitism.
Revisionist history.

Education departments across the country, and in DC, have plenty of 'accomplishments'.
That's why the public school system in this country is a dismal failure.

[FlyersFan]

With all respect... you lost me at United Nations...

I'll spare you my diatribe... 

I wouldn't mind hearing it.