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#11
Nah.... I would just be reiterating points I've made before.... and since I am a verbose chap.. I fear it would be tiresome... perhaps it would find a home in the Rant Forum... eventually...

My most salient point is that those "experts" and their "charts" have gotten us where we are....

and now we are going to let the same noble and learned architects use the very
same charts to navigate out of this wonderful circumstance THEY PURPOSEFULLY ENGINEERED?

That doesn't logically ensure a working solution, in my mind.

But it will ensure that most enjoyable game of "it was their fault," "it was her/his fault," 
and my favorite "The citizens are deplorable."
#12
It was a good idea but much like all unnecessary things in the federal government,  it went bad quickly. 

No child left behind is just one example. Instead of helping the ones that needed it, they just dumbed down the rest.
I know too much and question everything.
Does anyone know the minimum safe distance of ignorance?
Did anyone ask the monkeys how much fun the barrel actually was?
#13
The mass failures racked-up by The Dept of Eductaktion over the decades was actually the intended successes  Lol
#14
(07-15-2025, 04:20 PM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: It was a good idea but much like all unnecessary things in the federal government,  it went bad quickly. 

No child left behind is just one example. Instead of helping the ones that needed it, they just dumbed down the rest.

I went to school in the 50’s. It was “read, memorize, take a test”.  No different than today.

Test scores do not show “thinking” — they show some students are good at test taking. 

In the 50’s kids to either side of middle were ignored or expected to work on their own. 

Today is better. No child left behind does work.
#15
(07-15-2025, 04:31 PM)ANNEE Wrote:  No child left behind does work.

Nah ... they just lowered the standards so that everyone passes even if they can't read.

https://www.kttc.com/2025/02/28/former-h...graduated/
#16
(07-15-2025, 05:01 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: Nah ... they just lowered the standards so that everyone passes even if they can't read.

https://www.kttc.com/2025/02/28/former-h...graduated/

And you think it was different in the 50’s. 

My brothers friend got pushed along year after year — until he landed in Jr High — where his mother wasn’t the leader of the PTA. 

My kid today is in Special Math — because of Dyscalculia. 

Who here has even heard of it?

In the 50’s — he woulda been shoved off to a corner.
#17
(07-15-2025, 04:31 PM)ANNEE Wrote: I went to school in the 50’s. It was “read, memorize, take a test”.  No different than today.

Test scores do not show “thinking” — they show some students are good at test taking. 

In the 50’s kids to either side of middle were ignored or expected to work on their own. 

Today is better. No child left behind does work.

Except for the last 20 years, the schools are producing kids that can't read and write at their own levels  Lol Lol
#18
(07-15-2025, 05:10 PM)ANNEE Wrote: And you think it was different in the 50’s. 

My brothers friend got pushed along year after year — until he landed in Jr High — where his mother wasn’t the leader of the PTA. 

My kid today is in Special Math — because of Dyscalculia. 

Who here has even heard of it?

In the 50’s — he woulda been shoved off to a corner.

Bet ya can't prove any of this can ya  Smilegrin
#19
(07-15-2025, 05:50 PM)xuenchen Wrote: Bet ya can't prove any of this can ya  Smilegrin


Personal real life experience — not second hand sound bites. 

Also, I was assistant to a QC manager at Nissan.  He said it was very difficult working with 
Asians because they couldn’t work independently. Everything had to be a consensual team effort. (he was British). 

Is the culture of “an A-minus is an F” — really better?

Why should a child struggle to memorize something they have zero interest in to get a high test score?

Why not excel where you excel?

IMO — the switch to academic testing/test scores really hurt education. 

I actually lived through these changes.
#20
(07-15-2025, 06:21 PM)ANNEE Wrote: Personal real life experience — not second hand sound bites. 

Also, I was assistant to a QC manager at Nissan.  He said it was very difficult working with 
Asians because they couldn’t work independently. Everything had to be a consensual team effort. (he was British). 

Is the culture of “an A-minus is an F” — really better?

Why should a child struggle to memorize something they have zero interest in to get a high test score?

Why not excel where you excel?

IMO — the switch to academic testing/test scores really hurt education. 

I actually lived through these changes.

You describe the decades old festering failures perfectly  Lol
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