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Debate: IdeoMotorPrisoner v. Putnam6 -
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(05-16-2024, 11:06 AM)IdeomotorPrisoner Wrote: [Image: https://i.imgur.com/nz8KgnE.gif]

Everyone.

 Respectfully, I thought you were theorizing humans are lowly snakes, or like the North Sentinal Island natives, and even in this post defective, can't handle our own shit. Yet now we know the whole universe gets paranoia? 

So which is it? We can't be so backasswards and be so omniscient and know paranoia goes beyond humans and infects every lifeform in the universe. Only some of us are paranoid, and even those are paranoid for different reasons, why should a whole species bend to the will of the paranoid? 

We don't how the whole universe is. Hell, we don't know about all the species in our oceans. I mention species BTW because thats the crux of the issue. We can't know how another species is, how it will react, what its emotional responses may be, or hell, even if they have emotional responses.
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 Plenty of our oceanic fauna have shown incredible intelligence and thought processing, octopi, dolphins, and killer whales all have shown problem-solving intelligence. We know they communicate with each other yet we have virtually no clue how except educated guesses. Are they paranoid or are they inquisitive? It's not just a coincidence the more intelligent ocean fauna dominate the paranoid, and sure they eat some of them, however, they do NOT ravage the whole population and in some ways live symbiotically. 

We should thirst to know what they are thinking, and yes we probably could learn a lot from them. If they could communicate with humans, imagine what they would say, suggest, or infer.  Besides "quit shitting in our backyard" what if we knew thier thoughts? Wouldn't that potentially be beneficial to all of the world?

I always wondered which episode this meme came from, I'd imagine this is how the ocean fauna would answer all of our questions, sarcastically as hell. 
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(05-16-2024, 11:06 AM)IdeomotorPrisoner Wrote: What's contact going to do to that equation? Is my mind getting lost in existential crises as well?

It's going to turn it on it's ear, as I suggested earlier it will change our current societal paradigm, one that needs to change, don't you think? You can't be content in our current state. I do think our initial reaction will be a lot like the book ironically written by Sagan and the movie Contact 


(05-16-2024, 11:06 AM)IdeomotorPrisoner Wrote: And what we have learned suggests life in the universe may not be so different, with the commonality being a fight inside the zones of habitabillity.

Considering, publically at least we haven't even discovered basic alien life, the suggestion life may not be different, is no less completely theoretical than you pose Sagan's theories are.

I'd suggest an ecosystem finds a balance within its environment living together. there will be periods of conflict, LOL another human condition, but it does continually seek out a balance. There's is no reason a sufficiently evolved and advanced species might have the answer to living in better harmony beyond the fight for survival and total Darwinism.

Because I could type forever countering an isolationist position for the sake of brevity and focus again I defer to AI 

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Quote:Is Life Always Darwinian?
 In certain contexts, such as artificial selection in agriculture or selective breeding in domestic animals, humans have intentionally guided evolutionary processes for specific purposes. These instances demonstrate that while Darwinian principles underpin much of evolutionary biology, there are scenarios where external influences can override or complement natural selection.
Moreover, some researchers explore concepts like symbiosis, cooperation among species, epigenetics, and niche construction as additional layers that contribute to the complexity of evolutionary dynamics beyond strict Darwinian mechanisms.
In conclusion, while Darwinian evolution offers valuable insights into how life has diversified and adapted over time through natural selection, it is not the sole determinant of all biological phenomena. Life exhibits multifaceted interactions influenced by various factors beyond traditional Darwinism.

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RE: Debate: IdeoMotorPrisoner v. Putnam6 - - by putnam6 - 05-16-2024, 08:18 PM

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