California is crazy.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Right now you can buy a 2700 sq/ft house in a descent part of town for around 280k. Before covid hit I refinanced my home at 184k. my house was built in 1980 and is 2900 sq/ft in a descent nighborhood near all the shopping and food in town. Its a suburban neighborhood full of middle class types. I am going to bet you in California or NY (you know, liberal shit holes) this same house would run over a million.

That's some massive square footage. And it probably has more than 6 feet between the neighbor's house too.

Here's what San Diego, CA shitholes run at that square footage.

Listings between 1.4 and 5 million.


Neighborhood: Point Loma

And instead of the La Jolla one, here is the cheapest listing in San Diego on Zillow.


Neighborhood: Skyline

The top one is a mixed class neighborhood with a large amount of navy people and rentals. As a whole we are largely cash poor. The cost of living says we also buy less property and acrue less savings. But can rent in the neighborhoods these houses are in for less than a mortgage ($2,500-7,000) depending on square footage or whether it's an apartment or house.

The mindset buying these properties I'd imagine is sometimes a similar arrogance to Monaco. Where it's not so much the inflated cost of living but getting to say you live in Monaco that really matters.

And there is also places like Visalia, Modesto, Bakersfield, and Victorville, where the average home prices are still under $400,000. But you have to live in Bakersfield or Victorville, which look like this:



It's not that we think Victorville is poor, I can't afford a home there either, but I'd still rather be cash poor renting in gentrified paradise, then in the dirty Land of Meth with a better cost of living.

[chr0naut]

Assembly committee waters down bill to combat sex trafficking in California
 What is wrong with California?  I really dont understand this one.  They voted this down once and now they have done it again.  If you read just the beginning of this is jaw dropping.  In what world is this normal?  These re grown adults elected to government positions that are voting this way.  This quote right here.  The very first line.  Just think about what is being said in it.  Shoplifting is a felony but not sex trafficking another human?

California is almost beyond hope.  Well at least LA and San Fransisco.  I know a lot of California is normal.  I think its time to either split that state up or let it go.  it can be our version of the gaza strip.  I cant imagine anything that the rest of the country has in common with these people yet they have a crap ton of electoral votes and give the democrats and automatic hold on 54 electoral votes.  Anyplace that things buying and selling other humans especially minors is completely out of touch with the rest of our country.

The assumption that without this legislation that minors can legally be trafficked for sex is false. There is already legislation that adequately criminalizes sex trafficking of minors in California.

As the new legislation is redundant, at the worst, the new legislation introduces potential for conflict with existing statutory and caselaw, potentially breaking existing legal specificity and absoluteness, and at best it is just in fact clearly a case of inept politicians virtue-signalling to the ignorant, for their own self-promotion.

Not to mention the other unrelated stuff that invariably gets piggy-backed in to law hidden in such bills.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I've read it's a deal vs. an ultimatum.

Those blocking it want the charge left open-ended misdemeanor/felony and up the prosecutor discretion for 16 and 17 year olds, even including greater need for them to prove they are being trafficked.

https://www.abc10.com/article/entertainm...c062d29628

There were a lot of youth advocates and activists who were concerned about the way that automatic felonies levied against older teens in relationships with other minors," said Leela Chapelle, with the Coalition to Abolish Slavery and Trafficking.

Rights4Girls is a non-profit aimed at protecting vulnerable girls and women. The organization disagreed with the change.

"There is no scenario that we can think of where teenagers are engaging in a financial transaction, or you know that prosecutors would waste their time going after teenagers, who engage in consensual relationships," said Yasmin Vafa, with Rights4Girls.

It's them being stubborn against "tough on crime" initiatives, using the unintended high school student that turned 18 first. And also because it conflicts with soft on crime initiatives like SB357, which decriminalized loitering for prostitution.

I have to agree the feels for the unintended are not valid enough to force her to water down the bill. And if some stupid 19 year olds get caught picking one up unintended, they should get a lawyer and hope for a plea.

I think they know it's unlikely to harm unintended children, that is just the best argument to counter those saying they support underage prostitution.

The politics of soft on crime reform and the spirit of sex trafficking laws. They are just a little behind the police are good again trend.

[Parcival]

That's some massive square footage. And it probably has more than 6 feet between the neighbor's house too.

Here's what San Diego, CA shitholes run at that square footage.

Holy cow those are nuts prices.  I was in Jacksonville FL a while back and homes near the beach there was crazy expensive but the houses you just posted make those beach homes look like mansions.  And yes, I have space between the houses.  I am in a cul-de-sac but most of the lots in the suburbs here and my neighborhood are .5-.75  acre lots.  We do have some new neighborhoods going in a lot of areas with more expensive houses that they do cram together closer but overall this is just normal here and the home sizes are pretty typical.  I have 4 bedrooms with a built out office, formal dining and a family room but a typical 3 bedoorm single family home from the same timeframe as mine will be around 2k sq/ft and still run before covid 150k ish.  Now maybe 225 to 250.  Covid and the biden economy really drove prices up.  I am glad I got mine in under the wire and at 2.4% interest.  I cant imagine paying the prices they are charging now for homes.  But all that to say nothing is "better" in California and NY.  Its just way more expensive and you have half your money take from taxes.  We dont have that.  We have a normal tax rate and it does not require us to make ridiculous amounts of money to survive.

[Parcival]

The assumption that without this legislation that minors can legally be trafficked for sex is false. There is already legislation that adequately criminalizes sex trafficking of minors in California.

As the new legislation is redundant, at the worst, the new legislation introduces potential for conflict with existing statutory and caselaw, potentially breaking existing legal specificity and absoluteness, and at best it is just in fact clearly a case of inept politicians virtue-signalling to the ignorant, for their own self-promotion.

Not to mention the other unrelated stuff that invariably gets piggy-backed in to law hidden in such bills.

No this bill would have made it a "Mandatory" felony.  Like the other post said.  Right now its up to the judge to decide which means liberal judges can all but let someone off with a fine.  It should be a felony.

[rickymouse]

I live in Oklahoma and we are one of the states that liberals like to point to as being "poor".  Well that all depends on your definition of poor.  We have one of if not the lowest cost of living in the country.  Its been a little dinged under Biden due to home prices and car prices going up and we do suffer in the car area because they are necessarily cheaper for us compared to other states but houses are another story.  Right now you can buy a 2700 sq/ft house in a descent part of town for around 280k.  Before covid hit I refinanced my home at 184k.  my house was built in 1980 and is 2900 sq/ft in a descent nighborhood near all the shopping and food in town.  Its a suburban neighborhood full of middle class types.  I am going to bet you in California or NY (you know, liberal shit holes) this same house would run over a million.  So are we poor?  Or are we a better value? They are NOT the same.  But we get called poor.   Cost of living means a lot and you can tell the areas that are poorly ran sometimes based on it.

Prices of homes and rent went way up here in the U.P of Michigan over the last four years too.  Five years ago our house was worth about two hundred twenty grand, now they got the value at around three hundred eighty grand.  Wages are not high enough up here to justify someone paying that much for a house.

Rent of an apartment was reasonable before too, everything included three to four years ago they were running about eight hundred.  That same apartment now would cost at least thirteen hundred a month.  Partly because they raised property values so high and landlords taxes went way up.  It is getting crazy here, people are bidding on houses, going over the asking price by many thousand.  This drives up the values. 

Not all areas of the U.P of Michigan have had prices go way up.  In some areas people are way smarter, they won't pay those prices and the people who are selling them are not interested in screwing their fellow residents by charging too much.  Real estate companies are getting ruthless, trying to convince everyone their property is worth way more and it seems that people are being suckered into paying way more for houses in an area where the wages are not that great....which is causing problems because people are getting poorer with the cost of living increase while wages lag way behind.

This all got so much worse during the Biden administration...it caused a big increase in inflation yet they hid the truth during Biden's reign.  We have been deceived and it seems like people did not actually teach their kids well to manage their finances.  The Millennials seem to be losing a lot of net worth, they believe in the stock market...that is gambling, it is not secure by any means.  We do have some stocks left, mostly in AT&T, I think of communication as a necessary thing in society, and that company is fairly stable and seems to be trying to get back on track...but we never invest more than we can afford to lose in the stock market, something we were taught thirty plus years ago when investing.  When we die, our kids will probably take all we have to pay off their debt and hopefully they will have learned to stay out of debt by then....I guess we failed at teaching them to watch what they buy, they got entitled.

By the way, butter is an antidepressant, it can treat depression caused by the society we live in without all the side effects of most of the  antipsychotic meds out there based off of that chemistry.  .

[Parcival]

Prices of homes and rent went way up here in the U.P of Michigan over the last four years too.  Five years ago our house was worth about two hundred twenty grand, now they got the value at around three hundred eighty grand.  Wages are not high enough up here to justify someone paying that much for a house.

Rent of an apartment was reasonable before too, everything included three to four years ago they were running about eight hundred.  That same apartment now would cost at least thirteen hundred a month.  Partly because they raised property values so high and landlords taxes went way up.  It is getting crazy here, people are bidding on houses, going over the asking price by many thousand.  This drives up the values. 

Not all areas of the U.P of Michigan have had prices go way up.  In some areas people are way smarter, they won't pay those prices and the people who are selling them are not interested in screwing their fellow residents by charging too much.  Real estate companies are getting ruthless, trying to convince everyone their property is worth way more and it seems that people are being suckered into paying way more for houses in an area where the wages are not that great....which is causing problems because people are getting poorer with the cost of living increase while wages lag way behind.

This all got so much worse during the Biden administration...it caused a big increase in inflation yet they hid the truth during Biden's reign.  We have been deceived and it seems like people did not actually teach their kids well to manage their finances.  The Millennials seem to be losing a lot of net worth, they believe in the stock market...that is gambling, it is not secure by any means.  We do have some stocks left, mostly in AT&T, I think of communication as a necessary thing in society, and that company is fairly stable and seems to be trying to get back on track...but we never invest more than we can afford to lose in the stock market, something we were taught thirty plus years ago when investing.  When we die, our kids will probably take all we have to pay off their debt and hopefully they will have learned to stay out of debt by then....I guess we failed at teaching them to watch what they buy, they got entitled.

By the way, butter is an antidepressant, it can treat depression caused by the society we live in without all the side effects of most of the  antipsychotic meds out there based off of that chemistry.  .

Sounds about like here.  I bought my house in 2016 for I believe 175k and it was around 5% interest.  Just as covid was starting when I was working from home for a short time I refinanced my mortgage to get a lower rate and the house appraised at 184k at that time and I moved it to 2.4%.  But now according to the tax folks they say my house is worth 320k and I am paying taxes based on that.  I feel like there is something evil about that as my mortgage is on 175k and that is what the tax rate should be based on, not what the house is "valued" at by someone who has never stepped foot in it.  The other bad side effect of this is home owners insurance.  State farm uses that value to set my rates and my deductible.  Around covid time they also raised the deductible to 1% which means now I cant file on anything less than $3200 or its useless. So unless the house burns down or a tornado hits it my insurance is pointless.

[Solvedit]

Shoplifting is a felony but not sex trafficking another human?

The old ATS members on here are probably cringing because they know I'm going to be all over this one.

The Sexual Revolution was all about cheating on exams.  

The rest of the world does not want to have to get in shape, be nice, and learn to sing and dance in order to participate in the redistribution of intelligence which can occur when people get to know each other too well.  Their unwillingness could potentially lead to human trafficking.

Perhaps some people in the government know that if they give up a few people to the ghetto, they know the ghetto may calm down and act better.

In the book "Liberal Fascism," Jonah Goldberg opined that it's often the poor who become fascistically organized to use a common shared identity, often but not always ethnic, to try to manipulate society to their own ends.  The Nazionalsocialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei was started by unemployed ex-WW1 veterans and so were the Italian Fascists.

[chr0naut]

No this bill would have made it a "Mandatory" felony.  Like the other post said.  Right now its up to the judge to decide which means liberal judges can all but let someone off with a fine.  It should be a felony.

A judge's rulings must be fully compliant with established law. A judge may still show mercy in individual cases, and this bill does not remove that.

The law isn't there for vengeance against perpetrators, it is there for the defence of the citizenry against crime. That is why there are liberal judges in the first place.

A liberal judge may still choose to not convict. For instance, a judge may choose to show mercy if they believe that a perpetrator was forced into commission of a crime under extreme duress and that they are unlikely to reoffend. Similarly, if the legal process has been compromised, such as with jury tampering, vexatious litigation, judicial conflict of interest, planting of false evidence, or similar perversions of the course of justice, a judge can choose to end a case without reaching a conviction.

Mandatory sentencing without the full legal process is a perversion of the course of justice.

If this were a case where the conviction was automatic, then the bill would entirely override the decision of a judge or jury and be unconstitutional. If you are going to have fair and just law, then there must be legal process, you cannot side-step that with a bill. That way leads to tyranny.

[Parcival]

A judge's rulings must be fully compliant with established law. A judge may still show mercy in individual cases, and this bill does not remove that.

The law isn't there for vengeance against perpetrators, it is there for the defence of the citizenry against crime. That is why there are liberal judges in the first place.

A liberal judge may still choose to not convict. For instance, a judge may choose to show mercy if they believe that a perpetrator was forced into commission of a crime under extreme duress and that they are unlikely to reoffend. Similarly, if the legal process has been compromised, such as with jury tampering, vexatious litigation, judicial conflict of interest, planting of false evidence, or similar perversions of the course of justice, a judge can choose to end a case without reaching a conviction.

Mandatory sentencing without the full legal process is a perversion of the course of justice.

If this were a case where the conviction was automatic, then the bill would entirely override the decision of a judge or jury and be unconstitutional. If you are going to have fair and just law, then there must be legal process, you cannot side-step that with a bill. That way leads to tyranny.

Your confusing a charge with a judgement.  Just because its being set as a mandatory felony it is still a charge.  Sentencing is still in a judges hands and guilt or innocence is still in a courts hands.  That is how our system works and should work and how most states are.  Why is California afraid of this?  This law is also geared towards the trafficker and not the trafficking victim.  Your trying to make it sound like if your being forced into the sex trade your charged with a felony.  We do not charge the victims in crimes in this country.  Stop looking for the one in a million scenario.  If you traffic and sell another human being it should be a felony.  Period.