Burning the USA Flag

[andy06shake]

He was arrested for setting a fire in a federal park, which is illegal.
You don't want to get arrested for flag burning, don't burn your flag in a federal park.

Harte

Is that what the executive order says?

Nope.

• The Order directs the Attorney General to vigorously prosecute those who violate our laws in ways that involve desecrating the flag, and to pursue litigation to clarify the scope of First Amendment in this area.
  
  
• It also instructs the Attorney General to refer flag desecration cases that violate state or local laws to appropriate state or local authorities.
  
  
• Finally, the order directs the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security and the Attorney General to deny, prohibit, terminate, or revoke visas, residence permits, or naturalization proceedings, and other immigration benefits, or seek removal from the United States, wherever there has been an appropriate determination that flag desecration by foreign nationals permits the exercise of those remedies under applicable law.
  

Agree or disagree but flag burning is a form of protest.

And it's protected under your First Amendment rights.

[Harte]

Is that what the executive order says?

Nope.

Agree or disagree but flag burning is a form of protest.

And it's protected under your First Amendment rights.

If you read your own source, you can see that the EO itself recognizes the established Supreme Court ruling on flag burning. It asks for clarity on the scope of the right to free speech in flag burning.

As for violations, it asks for rigorous prosecution of existing state and local laws. Those would have to be struck down or enforced.

Harte

[andy06shake]

If you read your own source, you can see that the EO itself recognizes the established Supreme Court ruling on flag burning. It asks for clarity on the scope of the right to free speech in flag burning.

As for violations, it asks for rigorous prosecution of existing state and local laws. Those would have to be struck down or enforced.

Harte

 

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:
Section 1.  Purpose.  Our great American Flag is the most sacred and cherished symbol of the United States of America, and of American freedom, identity, and strength.  Over nearly two-and-a-half centuries, many thousands of American patriots have fought, bled, and died to keep the Stars and Stripes waving proudly.  The American Flag is a special symbol in our national life that should unite and represent all Americans of every background and walk of life.  Desecrating it is uniquely offensive and provocative.  It is a statement of contempt, hostility, and violence against our Nation — the clearest possible expression of opposition to the political union that preserves our rights, liberty, and security.  Burning this representation of America may incite violence and riot.  American Flag burning is also used by groups of foreign nationals as a calculated act to intimidate and threaten violence against Americans because of their nationality and place of birth.
Notwithstanding the Supreme Court’s rulings on First Amendment protections, the Court has never held that American Flag desecration conducted in a manner that is likely to incite imminent lawless action or that is an action amounting to “fighting words” is constitutionally protected.  See Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397, 408-10 (1989).
My Administration will act to restore respect and sanctity to the American Flag and prosecute those who incite violence or otherwise violate our laws while desecrating this symbol of our country, to the fullest extent permissible under any available authority.
Sec. 2.  Measures to Combat Desecration of the American Flag.  (a)  The Attorney General shall prioritize the enforcement to the fullest extent possible of our Nation’s criminal and civil laws against acts of American Flag desecration that violate applicable, content-neutral laws, while causing harm unrelated to expression, consistent with the First Amendment.  This may include, but is not limited to, violent crimes; hate crimes, illegal discrimination against American citizens, or other violations of Americans’ civil rights; and crimes against property and the peace, as well as conspiracies and attempts to violate, and aiding and abetting others to violate, such laws.
(b)  In cases where the Department of Justice or another executive department or agency (agency) determines that an instance of American Flag desecration may violate an applicable State or local law, such as open burning restrictions, disorderly conduct laws, or destruction of property laws, the agency shall refer the matter to the appropriate State or local authority for potential action.
©  To the maximum extent permitted by the Constitution, the Attorney General shall vigorously prosecute those who violate our laws in ways that involve desecrating the American Flag, and may pursue litigation to clarify the scope of the First Amendment exceptions in this area.
(d)  The Secretary of State, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting within their respective authorities, shall deny, prohibit, terminate, or revoke visas, residence permits, naturalization proceedings, and other immigration benefits, or seek removal from the United States, pursuant to Federal law, including 8 U.S.C. 1182(a), 8 U.S.C. 1424, 8 U.S.C. 1427, 8 U.S.C. 1451©, and 8 U.S.C. 1227(a), whenever there has been an appropriate determination that foreign nationals have engaged in American Flag-desecration activity under circumstances that permit the exercise of such remedies pursuant to Federal law.
Sec. 3.  Severability.  If any provision of this order, or the application of any provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be invalid, the remainder of this order and the application of its provisions to any other persons or circumstances shall not be affected thereby.
Sec. 4.  General Provisions.  (a)  Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i)   the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii)  the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b)  This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
©  This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
(d)  The costs for publication of this order shall be borne by the Department of Justice.
                             DONALD J. TRUMP
THE WHITE HOUSE,
    August 25, 2025.

Let's go to the horse's mouth, shall we?

He's making it illegal to burn an American flag if other laws are broken during the act.

Which is kind of rather open to interpretation by law enforcement.

It's not a good look at all.

Then again, it's all just a distraction from the Epstein debacle and cover-up, so.... 

Wonder what he will do next?

[Bootless]

 

He's making it illegal to burn an American flag if other laws are broken during the act.

Which is kind of rather open to interpretation by law enforcement.

It's not a good look at all.

Then again, it's all just a distraction from the Epstein debacle and cover-up, so.... 

Wonder what he will do next?

No. It won't be open to interpretation by local law enforcement or prosecutors. There will be DOJ minders looking over the shoulders of every police chief, DA, and Mayor. The DOJ will instruct those people or report them as obstructing the process of authoritarian takeover law enforcement.

Moreover, the DOJ minders will determine which demonstrations will be permitted by the Mayor's offices. Only pro-MAGA permitted. If actual protests happen, they will be labelled as unlawful assemblies. Then the chemical agents, clubs, and rubber bullets will be called in. Any fight back will be met with live ammo.

[putnam6]

Respectfully, if these azzhats playing look at what I can do, and getting arrested makes some forget "Epstein," they have the attention span of a two-year-old.

Not a fan of the law, it is what it is...
Still doesn't make this guy Presidential material


It's simple, if the DNC doesn't like what OMB is doing, find a better Presidential candidate than him...

It should be easy if he is that lousy

[andy06shake]

No. It won't be open to interpretation by local law enforcement or prosecutors. There will be DOJ minders looking over the shoulders of every police chief, DA, and Mayor. The DOJ will instruct those people or report them as obstructing the process of authoritarian takeover law enforcement.

Moreover, the DOJ minders will determine which demonstrations will be permitted by the Mayor's offices. Only pro-MAGA permitted. If actual protests happen, they will be labelled as unlawful assemblies. Then the chemical agents, clubs, and rubber bullets will be called in. Any fight back will be met with live ammo.

Let's hope not Bootless.

It would be a shame to end America's 248-year experiment with democracy. 

[FlyersFan]

As long as they wrap themselves in the flag before they burn it then " go for it !" 

US flag burners are morons.   
They should be free to be morons and burn the flag, but the truth is that they are idiots.

[FlyersFan]

Then again, it's all just a distraction from the Epstein debacle and cover-up, so.... 

Hun ... ya' know I luv ya' and all ... but not everything happening is an Epstein distraction.
Everything Trump is doing are things he said he was going to do BEFORE the Epstein thing exploded.
'We the people' won't let the Epstein thing go away ...
But really, the coverup doesn't permeate everything that's happening.

[andy06shake]

Hun ... ya' know I luv ya' and all ... but not everything happening is an Epstein distraction.
Everything Trump is doing are things he said he was going to do BEFORE the Epstein thing exploded.
'We the people' won't let the Epstein thing go away ...
But really, the coverup doesn't permeate everything that's happening.

Until he provides what was promised.

The people are simply going to see everything he does as a distraction and/or misdirection.

Trump could give the state of Alaska to Vladimir.

But people will ask for that list in whatever form it takes.

[andy06shake]

US flag burners are morons.   
They should be free to be morons and burn the flag, but the truth is that they are idiots.

The "idiot" in question defended your nation for 20 years.

Which is a hell of a lot more than Trump ever did.

Some may argue he's earned the right to protest in whatever peaceful manner he sees fit. 

He's not some college dude bumping his gums about rainbows and burning a flag in protest.

But a disgruntled war veteran not happy with the nation he chose to defend.