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(10-31-2025, 12:15 AM)putnam6 Wrote: It's always the worst-case scenario with no factual basis... he isn't an American and is subject to a higher standard for staying in a foreign country, as many foreign countries are with non-citizens...especially journalists
But let's pretend it's a constant Constitutional crisis because OMB is the President King
Yea, I didn’t see the quote or video on this one, and I ate crow.
While I took the media bait on this one, I don’t feel incredibly silly. There’s multiple Supreme Court cases over constitutional issues with the admin right now.
On this issue specifically, we’ve gone after people purely for speaking against Israel.
But he’s also made executive orders that have tried to make new laws challenging Supreme Court decisions on freedom of speech, one directly challenging a constitutional amendment, and issuing tariffs against every nation on earth even though he has no constitutional power to do so.
OMB or TDS doesn’t have the same jumping to conclusion precedent as it used to. There comes a point when someone is in power where I don’t think people have to afford someone the benefit of the doubt, and should default on skepticism. Personally, I think in a country where leaders are elected to represent the people and uphold and oath should always be treated with skepticism, but especially so if they’re proven it.
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(10-31-2025, 05:54 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: But he’s also made executive orders that have tried to make new laws challenging Supreme Court decisions on freedom of speech, one directly challenging a constitutional amendment, and issuing tariffs against every nation on earth even though he has no constitutional power to do so.
Just a quick fact-check aside here. First I notice you quite carefully say "constitutional power", which is indeed granted to Congress. However, if you read 19 U.S.C. §§ 2251–2255 and 19 U.S.C. § 1862 you'll see that Congress has granted the President broad powers to issue and adjust tariffs. If you read the actual documents implementing these tariffs, you'll see the law and justification clearly cited.
On the allusion that I presume is to "flag burning" as free speech, I actually went back and read the Supreme Court opinion on that a while ago. Interestingly, one of the main reasons used to claim that such an act is not unprotected incitement to violence was that, in the case judged, the demonstration was localized to a particular parade ground and state police were present and able to deal with any conflagration, literal or metaphoric, that might have resulted. In today's livestream and nation-wide viral-video age, that is no longer the case. Look at how the George Floyd video set of nationwide riots. The criteria established in that case are due for judicial review, and it's quite clear from the phrasing that Trump was told to use that that is what his lawyers are looking for.
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(10-31-2025, 05:54 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Yea, I didn’t see the quote or video on this one, and I ate crow.
While I took the media bait on this one, I don’t feel incredibly silly. There’s multiple Supreme Court cases over constitutional issues with the admin right now.
On this issue specifically, we’ve gone after people purely for speaking against Israel.
But he’s also made executive orders that have tried to make new laws challenging Supreme Court decisions on freedom of speech, one directly challenging a constitutional amendment, and issuing tariffs against every nation on earth even though he has no constitutional power to do so.
OMB or TDS doesn’t have the same jumping to conclusion precedent as it used to. There comes a point when someone is in power where I don’t think people have to afford someone the benefit of the doubt, and should default on skepticism. Personally, I think in a country where leaders are elected to represent the people and uphold and oath should always be treated with skepticism, but especially so if they’re proven it.
Well, you keep monitoring the Constitutional infringements for foreign journalists... priorities and all...
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This is insane “Food stamp spending was just $4.5 billion in December of 2019 By December 2022, thanks to a massive expansion by the Biden Admin, food stamp spending was $11 billion per month” $11 billion PER MONTH feeding mainly illegals Democrats dumped into America “That's a lot of new artificially subsidized demand. And guess what? In that same period, grocery prices went up. By some estimates, food prices go up by 1% for every 12% increase in food stamp spending. In this case, we're looking at a percentage increase of nearly 150%. So you could do the math on that. It's more than a 10% increase in your grocery bill every single month. What this means is that if you're a working American and you're not on food stamps, meaning you are a functional citizen who is taking care of yourself and your own family, you are a functional contributing citizen. What that means is you are actually paying against your will for other people's groceries twice. You're paying when the government takes the money out of your paycheck And then you're paying again every time you buy groceries for yourself.”
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(10-31-2025, 12:08 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Well, you keep monitoring the Constitutional infringements for foreign journalists... priorities and all...
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I thought I had admitted I was wrong on that one, and ate crow.
As for the food stamps, looks to correlate with inflation from the increase of monetary supply and debt from the past two presidents.
Wages haven’t kept up with inflation. Groceries, housing, really most things people interact with on a daily basis.
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(10-31-2025, 07:00 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Just a quick fact-check aside here. First I notice you quite carefully say "constitutional power", which is indeed granted to Congress. However, if you read 19 U.S.C. §§ 2251–2255 and 19 U.S.C. § 1862 you'll see that Congress has granted the President broad powers to issue and adjust tariffs. If you read the actual documents implementing these tariffs, you'll see the law and justification clearly cited.
On the allusion that I presume is to "flag burning" as free speech, I actually went back and read the Supreme Court opinion on that a while ago. Interestingly, one of the main reasons used to claim that such an act is not unprotected incitement to violence was that, in the case judged, the demonstration was localized to a particular parade ground and state police were present and able to deal with any conflagration, literal or metaphoric, that might have resulted. In today's livestream and nation-wide viral-video age, that is no longer the case. Look at how the George Floyd video set of nationwide riots. The criteria established in that case are due for judicial review, and it's quite clear from the phrasing that Trump was told to use that that is what his lawyers are looking for.
My understanding is that the powers afforded to the president for levying trade policy/tariffs are for emergencies or targeted industry. What we saw is a blanket put over the world, applied arbitrarily to some countries with justification outside of domestic production.
Either way, SCOTUS is looking at it in November with a ruling likely to come in the same month. Polymarket has a 40% chance SCOTUS lets them all stay, take of that what you will.
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(10-31-2025, 12:53 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: (10-31-2025, 12:53 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I thought I had admitted I was wrong on that one, and ate crow.
As for the food stamps, looks to correlate with inflation from the increase of monetary supply and debt from the past two presidents.
Wages haven’t kept up with inflation. Groceries, housing, really most things people interact with on a daily basis.
Im suggesting we all have our differing priorities... I wasnt asking for your thoughts on the surge in SNAP bennies, no clarification needed
“Food stamp spending was just $4.5 billion in December of 2019. By December 2022, thanks to a massive expansion by the Biden Admin, food stamp spending was $11 billion per month.” $11 billion PER MONTH
thats not just because the price of eggs went up. But some of the increase is because of allowing SNAP bennies to order groceries online which was neccesary during the height of COVID
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"They SUED the USDA for simply asking them how many illegal aliens are on the program in California, New York and these other states!"
"They SUED THEM! You need to take account of what people are doing here!"
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- and we are getting STOPPED and HINDERED by political games, by Democrats!" "That's why we are so FRUSTRATED."
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(10-31-2025, 02:21 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Im suggesting we all have our differing priorities... I wasnt asking for your thoughts on the surge in SNAP bennies, no clarification needed
“Food stamp spending was just $4.5 billion in December of 2019. By December 2022, thanks to a massive expansion by the Biden Admin, food stamp spending was $11 billion per month.” $11 billion PER MONTH
thats not just because the price of eggs went up. But some of the increase is because of allowing SNAP bennies to order groceries online which was neccesary during the height of COVID
Welp, prices aren't going down, debt isn't going down. So I guess none of our priorities are being met anyways.
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(10-31-2025, 06:20 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Welp, prices aren't going down, debt isn't going down. So I guess none of our priorities are being met anyways.
Trump hasn't been president for a year and yet you think he could make all that happen.
Ironically, he could, but then you'd be calling him a king.
 
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(10-31-2025, 07:02 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: I mean, he did say he was going to drop prices day one.
The tariffs have increased the prices of a lot of goods. Even if something is made domestically, a lot of the inputs are imported.
It's a process.
If you are unable to grasp the global ramifications, then I can't really help you.
Here.
I'll dangle my key chain.
See the nice pretty??
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