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Bongino and Patel now say Epstein hung himself.
(07-13-2025, 08:07 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Because I bet a lot of them are on the list too. Being a creep pedo' has no political or religious boundaries.

Indeed.

And please keep in mind a lot of MAGA is super unhappy about this, and many in right-wing media are slamming him. 

It's always been us vs. them. Not left vs. right or blue vs. red.

It is serfs vs. lords. Remembering that is the only way to untopple this.
(07-13-2025, 07:42 AM)Kurokage Wrote: We had Bongino and Patel say there was no file after stating it had been sat on her desk, and now we have Trump saying the Epstein file is a fake?? So was the statement about there being no file a total lie?? If so, surely that's a crime being committed right there before anyone even sees the Epstein file?

Also, what was the point in parading influencers in front of journalists with the Epstein binders if it was all fake?

I think they’ve just had a bunch of miscalculations. Like, just don’t say anything about it for the rest of your term. Say you have more important things to work on (even though draining the swamp is arguably what got him elected the first time, and he’s oddly silent this time about that phrase).

But they doubled down and tried to say there was nothing there, case closed. It’s one of the very few issues the devoted side of the base really pushed back on (the responses to his truth post are pretty brutal).

Now as you said, the files do exist but were manufactured by the left… Even though his admin checked in all the evidence.

One thing is for certain now, the admin has been lying and changing their story around this. If they can lie about something like this, they can lie about anything.

And given how Trump has projected how he thinks political opponent presidents in the past would deal with worsening poll numbers or upcoming elections, I’m interested to see if he takes a page out of the same book, and uses foreign policy as a distraction.
I hope this grows into the part where the abusive pervert set realizes they need to offer up a "sacrificial lamb."

Tic toc, tic toc...

Epstein is dead.. and the mob won't consume carrion...

Maxwell obviously has friends in the system...
Journalists are all deal apparently.... no one positioned to investigate...

All the press produces now is "press-release" journalism...
(07-13-2025, 08:27 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Also, what was the point in parading influencers in front of journalists with the Epstein binders if it was all fake?

I think they’ve just had a bunch of miscalculations. Like, just don’t say anything about it for the rest of your term. Say you have more important things to work on (even though draining the swamp is arguably what got him elected the first time, and he’s oddly silent this time about that phrase).

But they doubled down and tried to say there was nothing there, case closed. It’s one of the very few issues the devoted side of the base really pushed back on (the responses to his truth post are pretty brutal).

Now as you said, the files do exist but were manufactured by the left… Even though his admin checked in all the evidence.

One thing is for certain now, the admin has been lying and changing their story around this. If they can lie about something like this, they can lie about anything.

And given how Trump has projected how he thinks political opponent presidents in the past would deal with worsening poll numbers or upcoming elections, I’m interested to see if he takes a page out of the same book, and uses foreign policy as a distraction.

Until Trump, all sides had played the pollical party game keeping the people asleep.
Donald made a big noise about draining the swamp, renewing Washington, and changing that game. His claims of locking corrupt politicians up were part and parcel of his election campaign. 

How gullible does his think the electorate are that he can just make up claims of fakery now after already changing the narrative twice about the Epstein 'files'.



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper
(07-13-2025, 08:48 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Until Trump, all sides had played the pollical party game keeping the people asleep.
Donald made a big noise about draining the swamp, renewing Washington, and changing that game. His claims of locking corrupt politicians up were part and parcel of his election campaign. 

How gullible does his think the electorate are that he can just make up claims of fakery now after already changing the narrative twice about the Epstein 'files'.

Unfortunately, I think the electorate is that gullible. I've been impressed with the pressure people have kept so far, but let's he honest, it's only been a week.

There's a lot more that is going to happen in the next year, and this will likely get memory holed. There will be some mention of it, but it will just get shut down. Ironically, the people who will laugh at people bringing it up then will be the same ones who talked about this case for years only to pull a 180. If the right loses on midterms or next presidential election, I think it will be more economy/tariff driven than having to do with the cover up.

One of the glaring problems we've had is hyperpolarization. People truly believe that their side is the lesser of two evils, and their opponent would bring literal destruction to the country. The reality is, both sides bring a slow destruction by constantly mortgaging the debt to the future generation. Kick the can down the road, give a few of your buddies some short term prosperity that we have to pay back later. The idea is there will be growth and hopefully we can pay it off. But western populations are retracting, not growing, which will be a huge issue.

This was probably the only opportunity anyone had in "draining the swamp", more so than exposing any other cover up. But we see this admin is falling into line with the uniparty on this one. They've covered up for more people with this one action than they've "drained" in 5 years. It's business as usual.
But the electorate knows only what it is told....
It's "told" by their cadre of "tellers"... the media.

The media, once divested of a mandate for truth, became the marketing arm for someone...
Who?

Not us.  Not "the government," who?

It's the "people" in the government.. the "club members."

There is another scenario that might explain this sudden "flip flop" of passion for the truth.

They scoured the data and found no way to limit the damage to only opposition players... which is how party "justice" works.

OR

They discovered that giant burlap sack full of political wildfire... has been peppered with too much extraneous provable bullshit... or pre-poisoned with hyperbolic slander, and engineered evidence... or full of prejudiced content from tainted sources... You know this is their primary game... people with control of 'policy' decision in justice.  They will never prosecute themselves... but what's worse is that they apparently will never allow ANY justice the party doesn't approve of.
 
The evidence well has been poisoned, the sources prepped, the good stuff encased inside garbage...

Citizens apparently have no real representatives within law enforcement leadership...
the parties obviously do...
we don't.

There is no two-tiered system of justice... it's just that "justice" is never applied where they don't want applied.  They have many excuses why ... but in the end, follow the abuse, crime, graft and grift...

I wonder if they are "proud" of it? 
Do they teach it to each other?...
Do they hide together... huddled behind the media machinery?
(07-13-2025, 07:42 AM)Kurokage Wrote: We had Bongino, Patel and Bondi saying there was no file, after stating it had been sat on her desk, 

The thing that gets me .... Bongino was such a huge force fighting for transparency with Epstein.  He spent a long time talking about the 'suicide' and the list.   Now he's flipped?   Other reports say that he's pissed at Bondi and Trump over this and is expected to resign his office in protest.    THAT sounds like Bongino ... saying he'd resign in protest.   I am having such a hard time seeing him as a weenie covering up Epstein.   But apparently he just might be.
(07-13-2025, 08:07 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Because I bet a lot of them are on the list too. Being a creep pedo' has no political or religious boundaries.

Epstein was a big Democrat, but I have no doubt that he 'played' with both Democrats and Republicans ... and probably blackmailed both as well.   That's why both the Democrats and Republicans are covering for him.   Too many of their own on the list .. on both sides.  I'd bet a box of donuts on that one!
(07-13-2025, 09:42 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: The thing that gets me .... Bongino was such a huge force fighting for transparency with Epstein.  He spent a long time talking about the 'suicide' and the list.   Now he's flipped?   Other reports say that he's pissed at Bondi and Trump over this and is expected to resign his office in protest.    THAT sounds like Bongino ... saying he'd resign in protest.   I am having such a hard time seeing him as a weenie covering up Epstein.   But apparently he just might be.

They've proven to be influencers who just want to remain relevant and collect a check.

They're willing to protect donors and party members than actually seek justice.

If they are willing to lie about this, everything is on the table too.
(07-13-2025, 09:28 AM)Maxmars Wrote: But the electorate knows only what it is told....
It's "told" by their cadre of "tellers"... the media.

This isn't the media saying this stuff. This is coming straight from the horses mouth, it's Trump, Bondi, Bongino and Patel spinning these tales.

We shouldn't be blaming the media for this even though they played their part in it. This is the political elite and the 1% who think they can do anything they please because they're untouchable.



 
"Denial is a common tactic that substitutes deliberate ignorance for thoughtful planning." 
Charles Tremper



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