Baal's Arch Goes On World Tour.

[Kurokage]

There's quite a long story to go along with my stance, and I have to admit there's a good chunk of video that I have to watch still once I'm not at my office, but I've spent... you could say an alarming amount of time researching religion, the different testaments, and specifically Baal and Moloch. I'm going into a bit of a diatribe, as this is a very quick Cliff's Notes version of months of research both by book, internet, scripture, and spiritual (to let it remain vague for now). I'm actually going to start a thread on this at some point... That or write a book, I'm not sure which yet.

One reoccurring theme that pops up is a confusion among experts on who was who, in relation to these two deities. Many seem to conflate the two with the primary description of Moloch. Primarily referencing the second video of the "Cults of Baal and Moloch", history, in my research, paints a very different story. The two deities were 2 sides of a coin, essentially. There were far from the same entity, and were often at ends with each other.

Moloch was, as described, a deity rich with Human sacrifice and geared towards power and conquering, resembling a minotaur, basically - human body with the head of a bull. Baal, on the other hand, was geared towards strength, fertility, and protection, with an appearance entirely human (at the time, in that "iteration") with a horned helmet. See the similarity - very easy to mix the two together.

Both deities essentially represented the two sides of the human choice and heart - faith vs force, fire vs thunder and storms, defense vs offense, life and fertility vs destruction and death, and lastly - types of sacrifice. Where historically Baal "requested" sacrifice of objects and possessions for fertility, crops, and protection, Moloch "required" sacrifice of life and blood for strength, power, and wealth. I can go a little off topic and say that while Baal worship didn't require human sacrifice, it isn't to say that it wasn't done by people regardless. With that said, however, Baal was more neutral, whereas Moloch thrived within intent.

While Moloch has stayed fairly consistent in his iteration and appearance, Baal has changed throughout the years with Baal being the 2nd iteration, transforming through myth and society to the Ala demons of Bulgarian lore (if I'm remembering correctly without looking at my notes) before the current iteration of Bael, or Beezlebub (yeah, THAT one).

Current descriptions of Baal have been demonized (pun intended) by the church over the course of many, many years to the evil entity he's viewed in today, thus taking on a similar mantle if not outright being combined with Moloch.

The point I'm trying to get across before I go into a small novelette of the why's and how's, is that history's conflation of the two, mainly due to and as well as the church's, whenever you see any sort of media or even the vast majority of people talking about the 'evil' Baal - they are really talking of Moloch. The Bull headed entity that had thousands of children sacrificed to him - one city literally raised children for the sole purpose of sacrifice so that the wealthy could spare their own. The one who was sought out for wealth, power, and intimidation. Basically, if there was a "devil", it would be Moloch. Baal, interestingly enough, would be the entity to warn you of him and help you against him.

If those arches were originally designed to honor Baal, their significance wouldn't be anything to bat an eye at. I think a more interesting question should be asked as to why the World Government Summit would have something like that... Are they twisting the meaning? Do the arches make a nod towards Moloch (as in, were they originally designed with Moloch in mind as opposed to Baal?) I think that the latter is the case.

I've read that Baal was demonised purely because of YHWY worship? 
He was one of the first and greatest competing 'Gods' and was first demoted and then demonised by those that worshipped YHWY. Some of the 'Old Testament' scriptures where literally copy and paste jobs of early Baal poetry and literature.  

I won't go into a long story here but I find this guy to be very informative about the early creation of Monotheism and the myths of the near east.
His Youtube channel is really worth a watch if you're interested in this subject.

[quintessentone]

I've read that Baal was demonised purely because of YHWY worship? 
He was one of the first and greatest competing 'Gods' and was first demoted and then demonised by those that worshipped YHWY. Some of the 'Old Testament' scriptures where literally copy and paste jobs of early Baal poetry and literature.  

I won't go into a long story here but I find this guy to be very informative about the early creation of Monotheism and the myths of the near east.
His Youtube channel is really worth a watch if you're interested in this subject.

[Video: https://youtu.be/S8Q9uyFASF0?si=C81bBIjXUsiz6aeq]

Isn't that the play book? Demonize then take control?

Yes, indeed, a very interesting study.

[MichSwampbuck]

The unedited footage can be found in the post above but here's the stock footage released from Soldier Fields at Chicago's 'World's Fair' in 1933.




[Video: https://youtu.be/nkiQ-_ilQ9Q]





Incidentally thought a great point was made here (around 26:40) about Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

Looks like a Cecil B. DeMille production. I'm amaze someone even pitched this idea, sold it, and then had a huge production made. Looks like it went on for a long time, from daylight to night time. This wasn't an 1/2 hour or hour show going on here.

I find it hard to rationalize that so many people would participate in this considering the era and people's religious convictions. Putting on a big show like that, even if it was considered educational or a warning against paganism, would be hard to justify come the following Sunday at church.

[Karl12]

From 2:40

[quintessentone]

From 2:40

[Video: https://youtu.be/XZclTH-PwGA]

So that production was led by Zionist activism, a very odd way of pushing their goals, I must say.

[Karl12]

So that production was led by Zionist activism, a very odd way of pushing their goals, I must say.

Yes indeed mate why on earth would any human want to celebrate (and simulate) this shit is beyond me.

Could be religious propaganda but the video below brings up the archeological research of Dr. Stuart McAllister - I could be wrong but it smacks very true to me.






Cheers.

[quintessentone]

Yes indeed mate why on earth would any human want to celebrate (and simulate) this shit is beyond me.

Could be religious propaganda but the video below brings up the archeological research of Dr. Stuart McAllister - I could be wrong but it smacks very true to me.



[Video: https://youtu.be/STXLgRjDQWA]

Cheers.

There is much debate going on whether or not children were sacrificed or not, so instead of just believing the Bible and all it's propaganda, here's another theory.

"Sites within Carthage and other Phoenician centers revealed the remains of infants and children in large numbers; some historians[citation needed] interpret this as evidence for frequent and prominent child sacrifice to the god Ba'al Hammon.

The accuracy of such stories is disputed by some modern historians and archaeologists.[12] At Carthage, a large cemetery exists that combines the bodies of both very young children and small animals, and those who argue in favor of child sacrifice have argued that if the animals were sacrificed then so too were the children.[13] However, recent archaeological work has produced a detailed breakdown of the age of the buried children and based on this, and especially on the presence of pre natal individuals - that is still births, it is also argued that this site is consistent with the burial of children who had died from natural causes in a society that had a high infant mortality rate - as Carthage is assumed to have been. I.e. this data supports the view that Tophets were cemeteries for those who died shortly before or after birth, regardless of the cause.[13]"

Did Canaanites sacrifice children? - Biblical Criticism & History Forum - earlywritings.com

[Karl12]

Yes remember you making your first appearance on the ATS about the same thing.

Keep on keeping on mate.

[quintessentone]

Yes remember you making your first appearance on the ATS about the same thing.

Keep on keeping on mate.

I got into this because I had my DNA analyzed and one of my alleged ancestors was an Incan teenaged female sacrificed to the mountain Incan god to bring prosperity to all the people. But I came to ATS for the aliens, but can't stick to just archaeology and aliens as is evident. lol

Mummy Juanita - Wikipedia

What she probably looked like.

See the Face of an Inca Teenager Killed in a Ritual Sacrifice 500 Years Ago

[Solvedit]

I've read that Baal was demonised purely because of YHWY worship? 
He was one of the first and greatest competing 'Gods' and was first demoted and then demonised by those that worshipped YHWY. Some of the 'Old Testament' scriptures where literally copy and paste jobs of early Baal poetry and literature.  

Can it be the meanings of some ancient religions are just as lost on their modern defenders as their detractors?

It doesn't make sense to say that since human sacrifice can't be proven, the worship of Baal must have been demonized because it competed with another religion.  

There seems to be evidence that some of the "gods" of OT times were actually slaves being used to teach the people spirituality and other things directly.  

The modern Lithuanian word "ištarti" sounds like the words for Ishtar (š=sh) and Astarte.  Lithuanian is the closest modern living language to the Proto-Indo-European which formed the basis of almost all the languages of Europe and many of West Asia.  Perhaps when the Yamnaya took over Europe during the great outbreak of the black plague 4800 years ago, they used slaves to teach everyone to speak the same language.  (Lithuania, however, did not try to take over the world because their DNA is not found all over Europe and West Asia in conquering amounts.)

The Tower of Babel was in Uruk, not Babylon, but seemed to be named for Babylon.  Can this be because they were copying a little Babylonian religion?  The tower could have housed slaves.  It could have been an ancient pollution control measure to take the smell and the contact high away from the people it was meant to help.  When it collapsed, the people forgot how to talk.  

The account in the first half of Genesis 19 indicates at least some people in the ancient near east didn't mind practicing slavery and soul theft in order to get in touch with what other people knew.  Is it possible some of those beliefs formed into organized religions at various points?