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Animal sacrifice is allowed in Michigan
#11
And some say Grace for the food they eat that someone else slaughtered.
#12
The horror of slaughterhouses is bad enough,
but people with kitchen knives in backyards 
in neighborhoods hacking away at scared animals?
That's just wrong.
#13
(12-20-2025, 10:57 AM)ANNEE Wrote: And some say Grace for the food they eat that someone else slaughtered.

While others thank the dead/killed animal for sustaining them, while the animal had no choice in the matter. Although if they hunted them I would guess the fear levels of the animal would be high as well, so I wonder if some people who hunt animals haven't tasted the difference with meat without the fear factor chemicals raging.
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#14
I have watched the ritual animal sacrifice, both Halal and Shechita/Kosher, and both ways are done to ensure that the animal is not stressed out ahead of time. They were both done as humanely as possible, so I don’t think that all of a sudden it’s going to be some slaughter house type of craziness.

My 2 pesos…

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#15
(12-20-2025, 09:07 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Now it's okay to engage in ritual slaughter in Hamtramck Michigan.   The state has the
right to run itself as it wishes ... states rights ... but I think it's awful.
I think it's a U.S. Constitution issue more than State's rights issue.
 
Quote:City officials say the constitution already protects religious animal slaughter and although a majority of residents oppose the practice, council members passed the resolution to protect the city from lawsuits.
"Our research and compromise came based on legal advice, not based on emotions," said Hamtramck Mayor Amer Ghalib.

Hamtramck City Council passes religious animal slaughter ordinance

A rational (not locked in to traditional ritual) person may reason: "Obviously, it was a good thing that Abraham didn't kill his son as an offering. But think about it, was Abraham going to eat his son after killing him? Probably not.

So let us then offer thanks verbally.

And if we truly care about the poor who are to receive 1/3 of the offering, well, maybe regular food will do. Like donate to food banks."
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#16
(12-20-2025, 09:36 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: All people who slaughter animals claim that.
And it's never true.
All animals die in fear when slaughtered.

I don't think that is necessarily true.    Where I grew up, beeves were brought to the killing area gently, and killed quickly, such that they didn't have enough time to suffer or "die in fear".   Same for sheep and goats killed and shared among the farmers and ranchers.   However, in the local slaughterhouse that I knew, I don't doubt that every animal herded through the chutes died in fear and distress, as they could hear what was coming.   Terrible.   

In the culture of my youth, we believed that animals must be killed quickly and cleanly, or not only did the animal suffer, but the adrenalin surge spoiled the meat.   Thus, most of us would not take a shot at a deer, elk, moose, rabbit or bear that didn't have a high probability of certain kill.  It was thought to be a great embarrassment and dishonor to have to track a shot but not dead animal.   In all cases, we gave verbal thanks to the animal, and apologized to it if we failed to kill it cleanly.

ETA:  I've never lived in a place where ritual animal killings happened.   No burnt offerings either, although when barbequing we often tipped a small piece of the meat into the coals.   That was a tip of the hat to the Shoshone culture which I grew up near.
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#17
they do this with chickens too in brooklyn

#18
(12-20-2025, 09:07 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Old news .... but I just found out about it.
Animal sacrifice and slaughter is allowed at home in part of Michigan.
It's a Muslim religious thing ... 

I've seen pictures of overseas with Muslims slaughtering animals in
the streets for Eid al-Adha.   Blood running deep in the streets all 
over the place, people running through it, terrified animals being 
butchered ... 

Now it's okay to engage in ritual slaughter in Hamtramck Michigan.   The state has the
right to run itself as it wishes ... states rights ... but I think it's awful.

Hamtramck City Council Approves Religious Animal Sacrifices and Slaughter at  Home

When are human sacrifices going to be allowed?
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#19
I find the whole business rather sad.

We kill and eat animals then somehow justify it when really we should be ashamed.
#20
(12-20-2025, 09:36 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: When are human sacrifices going to be allowed?


They have been ongoing throughout history.   ...  ... as you know.  

They are not allowed, but they happen.   Most of us hope that they can be prevented.
"Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about.   Be kind.  Always".   -  Darielys Tejera/Spc. Douglas Jay Green/Robin Williams

"Pseudoscience, depending for its “truth” on consensus, is deeply hostile to challenge."   - Rael Jean Isaac