Animal Farm

[LightAngel]

The book shows us that revolutions fail not when our ideals are wrong, but when our memory erodes.

They lose their freedom not because of force alone.

But because they forget what freedom once meant.

Yes, forgetting history makes people ignorant.

[andy06shake]

Yes, forgetting history makes people ignorant.

And repeating it, or refusing to learn from such, equates to about the same.

[FlyersFan]

And repeating it, or refusing to learn from such, equates to about the same.

History always repeats itself.

[andy06shake]

History always repeats itself.

That's only half true.

History doesn't repeat in the same way, events don't rerun.

What repeat, are the patterns.

And we are supposed to learn from those, yet...

[UltraBudgie]

That's only half true.

History doesn't repeat in the same way, events don't rerun.

What repeat, are the patterns.

And we are supposed to learn from those, yet...

I think it is sort of like that quote about newspapers that is attributed to Mark Twain, something like if you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed and if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.

If you ignore history, you are ignorant and miss the patterns.
If you study only history, you are misinformed, as history is presented through the lens of the present.

I think one must identify the observable lies and misrepresentations of the present, and then use that to deconstruct (as much as possible) the record of the past.

Unfortunately, the media and academic systems that gatekeep this process have a vested interest in foiling such endeavours...

[andy06shake]

I think it is sort of like that quote about newspapers that is attributed to Mark Twain, something like if you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed and if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.

If you ignore history, you are ignorant and miss the patterns.
If you study only history, you are misinformed, as history is presented through the lens of the present.

I think one must identify the observable lies and misrepresentations of the present, and then use that to deconstruct (as much as possible) the record of the past.

Unfortunately, the media and academic systems that gatekeep this process have a vested interest in foiling such endeavours...

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes" 

Is that the one?

Im not sure if there is any solid evidence that Twain actually said it.

But i certanly don't disagree.

[DontTreadOnMe]

Yes, forgetting history makes people ignorant.

Add rewriting history to forgetting history.
All you have to do is look around or check schools' curricula.

[DontTreadOnMe]

I think it is sort of like that quote about newspapers that is attributed to Mark Twain, something like if you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed and if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.

If you ignore history, you are ignorant and miss the patterns.
If you study only history, you are misinformed, as history is presented through the lens of the present.

I think one must identify the observable lies and misrepresentations of the present, and then use that to deconstruct (as much as possible) the record of the past.

Unfortunately, the media and academic systems that gatekeep this process have a vested interest in foiling such endeavours...

[Maxmars]

If we (like the animals of the farm) are functioning in society...and a 'new' message rings through the community...

That "new" message becomes the currency of discussion...
The animals had each other, and their mutual trust of certainty.

We have "the news." 
(We have been conditioned to only consider 'authoritative' information... meaning 'official.')

The "news" is presumed to be 'authoritative'... but the last 50 years have shown us that such an assumption is basely naive.

The "press," speaking to us as if they were "us"... telling us that 'these are the words of the world around us."
But they are not.  The "news" is commercially produced for 'effect.'  

And we continue to 'buy into it" as if the "press" was actually "one of us."

Bad habits.... the  'press' and their 'news' is a 'product.' 

Crafted not to "educate" and "illuminate"... but instead to persuade, convince, and confuse.

Here at  DI, for example, the people create their own "press"... 
Dissecting and disentangling the "product" from reality...
separating the wheat from the chaff....

I call it "anti-news" but then for me, it's a happy objective... because in my opinion, the "News" is nearly all advertisement and propaganda now...

[LightAngel]

I think its use wants to be irony. 

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​​​​​​​ maybe I shouldn't laugh, but where would we be without humor.