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(12-02-2025, 04:19 PM)quintessentone Wrote: That's a brilliant deduction! A sort of dedication to perhaps birds being pollinators to help their crops bear fruit.
Cheers. Yeah, that and possibly bringers of rain for said crops... it was a desert environment after all. Like the native American Indians did rain dances.
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(12-02-2025, 04:19 PM)Byrd Wrote: In the case of the Nazca lines, the actual manpower and work is pretty minimal. As the article indicates, they basically shifted small rocks (the area is covered with rocks ranging from the size of pebbles to (less frequently) the size of a doubled fist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_lines) and scraping at the shallow covering layer of dirt to the rock below.
A team of 10 could create one image in less than a month.
Not to be a challenging jerk... but has anyone ever tried to make one... I mean 'in situ,' same methodology?
It seems like something that someone might have tried...
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(12-02-2025, 03:57 PM)Encia22 Wrote: It just hit me! Some of their imagery was of birds. What if it's simply that they worshipped birds to the extent that they made those giant geoglyphs simply to appease them, which, apart from any spiritual deities, would be the only living creatures to see them when in flight (oh, and flying insects, too)?

In many of the South and Central American traditions, birds were the messengers of heaven and bringers of omens...and sometimes were the souls of the deceased. I'm not claiming this is true for the Nazca people; merely saying that it was something believed by the Maya and others in the area.
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(12-02-2025, 04:23 PM)Encia22 Wrote: Cheers. Yeah, that and possibly bringers of rain for said crops... it was a desert environment after all. Like the native American Indians did rain dances.
I wonder if they walked or danced along those lines?
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(12-02-2025, 12:55 PM)quintessentone Wrote: So I thought it was important that everyone here learn that the Nazsca lines connection to alien landing sites has been debunked.
"The data revealed a hidden pattern that human eyes had missed for two millennia. It turns out the Nazca people weren't mapping the stars, and they weren't sending messages to aliens. They were building a sophisticated, two-level communication system designed for a completely different purpose."
The purpose? Ceremonial practices and sacrifices.
The downfall of listening to superstition developed on mescaline?
My favorite line about them is:
"Hi, we're Nazca, we take hallucinogenic drugs and cut off thousands of heads to sacrifice to the monkey spirit in the hope that will make it rain."
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(12-02-2025, 04:31 PM)IdeomotorPrisoner Wrote: The downfall of listening to superstition developed on mescaline?
[Image: https://denyignorance.com/uploader/image...4addd0.jpg]
My favorite line about them is:
"Hi, we're Nazca, we take hallucinogenic drugs and cut off thousands of heads to sacrifice to the monkey spirit in the hope that it will rain."
And there we have it, they were using more than just mescaline.
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"The results of the study show that coca leaves were present on the southern Peruvian coast since the Early Nazca Period (100 BCE - 450 CE). The Nazca inhabitants were also positive tested for the presence of harmine and harmaline coming probably form Banisteriopsis caapi (the main compound of the hallucinogenic ayahuasca beverage), and the San Pedro cactus, a source of mescaline. This is the oldest archaeological evidence of the consumption of these two plants. In modern medicine, the properties of harmine have led to its use in anti-depression and anti-addiction treatment. Banisteriopsis caapi is native to the Amazonian rainforest and had to be the object of long-distance trade, which showed its important role in ancient medicine and rituals"
Use of psychoactive and stimulant plants on the south coast of Peru from the Early Intermediate to Late Intermediate Period - ScienceDirect
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(12-02-2025, 04:31 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I think I read, glimpsed, that the peoples there removed trees from their land and caused their own desert demise.
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Yes, the Nasca peoples did remove trees from their land. They cleared large areas of forest to make way for agriculture, particularly crops such as cotton and maize. This act inadvertently led to the collapse of their civilization, as the removal of the huarango tree, which was crucial for the desert ecosystem, resulted in ecological collapse and subsequent environmental disaster. The study by Dr. David Beresford-Jones and his team at the McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research at Cambridge University and the Museo Regional de Ica provides compelling evidence of this self-inflicted demise."
I can't dispute the "AI" response, it's probably consensus... but please never forget that LLMs ("AIs")... select or choose an answer as "most suitable" for 'satisfactory' output... there are other opinions... and perhaps even contradictory 'evidence' you're not seeing... and not treated by the scholar cited... (of course, those can be lumped together under" "all over the map.")
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(12-02-2025, 04:57 PM)Maxmars Wrote: I can't dispute the "AI" response, it's probably consensus... but please never forget that LLMs ("AIs")... select or choose an answer as "most suitable" for 'satisfactory' output... there are other opinions... and perhaps even contradictory 'evidence' you're not seeing... and not treated by the scholar cited... (of course, those can be lumped together under" "all over the map.")
See what I did there, is I first read or glimpsed that fact (deforestation) from an archaeological article then to confirm what I think I read and understood, AI confirmed it.
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(12-02-2025, 04:38 PM)quintessentone Wrote: And there we have it, they were using more than just mescaline.
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"The results of the study show that coca leaves were present on the southern Peruvian coast since the Early Nazca Period (100 BCE - 450 CE). The Nazca inhabitants were also positive tested for the presence of harmine and harmaline coming probably form Banisteriopsis caapi (the main compound of the hallucinogenic ayahuasca beverage), and the San Pedro cactus, a source of mescaline. This is the oldest archaeological evidence of the consumption of these two plants. In modern medicine, the properties of harmine have led to its use in anti-depression and anti-addiction treatment. Banisteriopsis caapi is native to the Amazonian rainforest and had to be the object of long-distance trade, which showed its important role in ancient medicine and rituals"
Use of psychoactive and stimulant plants on the south coast of Peru from the Early Intermediate to Late Intermediate Period - ScienceDirect
Gotta love those bicameral ancients!
They managed to figure out the harmine in a certain plant combined with the DMT in another plant (acts as an MAOI) to make the Ayahuasca brew become orally psychoactive, but couldn't figure out how many heads you cut off or how many times you walk the outline of the Pelican-Spider has no bearing on how much it rains in the Atacama Desert.
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