Calling for a challenger on political debate

[DBCowboy]

That's right.

I'm humbly asking if anyone wants to debate me on the state of politics today.  Many have criticized MAGA, conservatives, Trump.

Well, here's an opportunity to make it official and kick my butt to the curb!

 

Any takers?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

But you make it sound so fun...

Reading the other thread, I see you're pushing towards "Why the democrats are all socialist commies" and I am partial to the opinion, "Oh you just say that because your being converted to a dictatorship," so why not do both at once instead. 

"Are democrats closer to commies or are republicans closer to fascists?" 

Opening post makes their own sides bullet point argument why ______ are _____.  Each post only focuses on their own argument - to make it more fun.

Then alternating challenge post segments where each OP is critisize/debated specifically. 

It's actually two pro/con debates happening simultaneously within the same thread. 

Whoever makes and then defends the best argument wins.  

* note for time constraints that may add to an annoying lag waiting for me to respond, which i cant help.

[DBCowboy]

But you make it sound so fun...

Reading the other thread, I see you're pushing towards "Why the democrats are all socialist commies" and I am partial to the opinion, "Oh you just say that because your being converted to a dictatorship," so why not do both at once instead. 

"Are democrats closer to commies or are republicans closer to fascists?" 

Opening post makes their own sides bullet point argument why ______ are _____.  Each post only focuses on their own argument - to make it more fun.

Then alternating challenge post segments where each OP is critisize/debated specifically. 

It's actually two pro/con debates happening simultaneously within the same thread. 

Whoever makes and then defends the best argument wins.  

* note for time constraints that may add to an annoying lag waiting for me to respond, which i cant help.

I like that.

Sounds like fun.

Maybe we can get a Mod to set it up if your game.

[Maxmars]

My heart bleeds for you...

I know the emptiness of a challenge unanswered...

Would that I could, my friend.... would that I could...

Your positional statement is however flawed - if you are referring to a DI debate.

No criticism intended... just that it is not a position to debate to resolution...

What precisely do you find most irksome that you wish to address?
Is it something 'transient' like a particular politician, a movement like MAGA?

Or are you wanting to squelch the litany of this and that...

DI Debates are apparently not 'free' enough?"

Anyone can debate anytime here at DI... in fact most do it here all day long...

Are you desiring a "once and for all" outcome?
Who will administer the rules, who will stop you or anyone else from doing the same tired arguments with the same theatrics and 'partisan' garbage that is "anti-debate?"

We established the debate forum to provide an opportunity for an even playing field.

Debating American politics is like talking about a hockey game.... or any spectator 'sport'... WWE comes to mind.

If you're into that then you don't need the debate forum as far as I can tell.  The mud pit and political threads are full of the same.... data....

I respect debate because it clear the field of bullshit purposefully inserted in to keep anyone from "understanding what this is all about."

Others think of it as a pulpit... they never win the debate... they ALWAYS claim a win.... activism is funny that way.

Debate is structured as it is to take away the crap so many desperately want to 'entertain' with...
It's not for pride, not for honor, not for your side, or mine, or theirs...

That is precisely what makes it a valuable exercise and tool for discerning reason.

The Debate ring is open... it never really closes...
Still...

Would that I could.... I actually need to have my butt kicked and you certainly can do it.

Maybe a mini demo debate....  250 word limit - open- 3 volleys - close...

But who can say what judging such a thing could actually work?  A point system?  Some measure of exchanged content?  The most "convincing" closing?.. but to whom?

I have only met a few debaters who would deny that losing brings a 
greater sense of closure than winning. 
And I never fail to learn something after I lose.

Yes, debate is high-yeilding dialogue....
exactly the kind some people just run from.

[Maxmars]

@DBCowboy and @IdeomotorPrisoner

I will set up a debate for you in the forum ...

Do me a favor, allow me to introduce your intentions (the specifics of the debate...)

You will be using the DI debate guidelines... please confirm...

May you enjoy this as much as we will...

[DBCowboy]

@DBCowboy and @IdeomotorPrisoner

I will set up a debate for you in the forum ...

Do me a favor, allow me to introduce your intentions (the specifics of the debate...)

You will be using the DI debate guidelines... please confirm...

May you enjoy this as much as we will...

Agreed

[Maxmars]

If I may further inquire...

The exact proposition of debate....

The actual core topic point... 

I will craft an intro for it as I do.
Not trying to step on your toes...
Just making certain that we are on precisely the same page...

Since this is an "advanced" debate - regarding politics - 'trust' is on the line.

Also, It would be nice to hear it from Ideomotorprisoner...
who WILL give you a run for your money....

"Positive contact" is my aim.

[DBCowboy]

If I may further inquire...

The exact proposition of debate....

The actual core topic point... 

I will craft an intro for it as I do.
Not trying to step on your toes...
Just making certain that we are on precisely the same page...

Since this is an "advanced" debate - regarding politics - 'trust' is on the line.

Also, It would be nice to hear it from Ideomotorprisoner...
who WILL give you a run for your money....

"Positive contact" is my aim.

For the sake of simplicity, I will take on the defending position that the current US administration is not fascist.

As for winning vs losing, I think I always come out with more knowledge.

[Maxmars]

That proposition can take a number of forms...

and you opponent needs to agree to the 'battle space" defined by the phrase:
 

"the current US administration is not fascist."

Is your opponent waiting to take the positive assertion: The current US administration is fascist?
I prefer a positive proof be the presumed intention of outcome... rather than a "prove it's not."


IS there agreement to pursue the argument from that perspective?

I think the debate topic needs more focus...

... but that's on you two to hammer out.

[DBCowboy]

That proposition can take a number of forms...

and you opponent needs to agree to the 'battle space" defined by the phrase:
 


Is your opponent waiting to take the positive assertion: The current US administration is fascist?
I prefer a positive proof be the presumed intention of outcome... rather than a "prove it's not."


IS there agreement to pursue the argument from that perspective?

I think the debate topic needs more focus...

... but that's on you two to hammer out.

Agreed, will have to wait for the reply