Arm Yourself: you're missing a trick coping with lead, you may like this.

[PorkChop96]

It did smell fishy.

And you bet your ass.  If I had known what those .556 rounds cost I would have 'required more marksmanship' :D  'Sorry Sergeant I am doing my best' rofl

These pro shooters are out there shooting thousands of rounds down range several times a week. Some have been doing it for longer than most of us have been alive and none of them have died of lead poisoning. 

This is just fearmongering at it's "best". Plain and simple

[Solvedit]

Despite my utter lack of medical training, I gleaned that sometimes lead chelation can redistribute metals from one location to another.  I suspected (even though I know nothing of medicine) that it might be helpful to do a few rounds of ordinary chelation to remove heavy metals from the body before attempting to get chelators into the brain. 


To the utterly medically untrained layman, it would seem liquor and DMSA should not be used if there is a risk the user will be too sick to take the next dose 8 hours later.  It is important to take DMSA correctly because it is not eliminated from the liver and kidneys right away but can release some of its lead.

From the website of Ward Dean, MD:

DosageDosage recommendations for DMSA vary widely. The dosage regimen recommended in conventional medical publications such as the Physicians’ Desk Reference (PDR) is 10 mg per kg every eight hours for five days; then reduce the dose to twice daily for two more weeks, off for two weeks, and repeat as necessary. I think this is pretty aggressive, and often results in gastrointestinal side effects.

To the totally medically untrained layman, even though alkalizing may not have the health benefits some tout it as having, it may be good to alkalize while treating in order to keep the DMSA soluble. 

According to the internet, alkalizing can be done by reducing protein and fat (except milk) and all unnecessary junk food during the treatment and increasing fruits and vegetables.  Perhaps alkalizing minerals should be taken, such as taking the RDA of calcium and magnesium. 

To the layman, it would seem anti-inflammatory foods such as olive oil or ginger should be consumed during a course of DMSA (after that first dose of course) because DMSA can cause inflammation.  Hydration should be maintained.

[Solvedit]

Despite my utter lack of medical training, I gleaned that sometimes lead chelation can redistribute metals from one location to another.  I suspected (even though I know nothing of medicine) that it might be helpful to do a few rounds of ordinary chelation to remove heavy metals from the body before attempting to get chelators into the brain. 

Calcium Disodium EDTA chelation IV providers are available if you look around.  A medically untrained layman's gleanings suggest that EDTA also can't easily cross the BBB.  One source metioned its concentrations in cerebrospinal fluid are only 5% that of the bloodstream.  Maybe it would also respond to induced inflammation?  I don't know.

Orally administered EDTA is said to not be well absorbed.  I have read on the internet that it won't dissolve in water.  It will mostly dissolve in the pH 9.5 alkaline water which some bottled water brands carry, especially if the water is warmed.  The medically untrained layman wonders if maybe it could be absorbed then, especially if the insides were a bit inflamed by the consumption of moderately heavy quantities of hard liquor, especially if the liquor has been aged in wood casks which is said to increase inflammation.  In this one limited case, a little inflammation may be a little desirable.  

From my medically untrained layman's gleanings, it would seem EDTA is administered one dose at a time and does not require a dosing period of several weeks.  Whether they just don't mention the subsequent doses, I don't know.  

I had guessed despite total lack of medical training that 6oz of heated 9.5 alkaline water, 2400mg of CaNaEDTA, and 1 oz. of dimethyl sulfoxide, mixed in a glass glass and drunk through a glass straw, might be effective without alcohol.  It didn't kill me or hurt me in any way I could tell.  

I can't claim I knew for a fact that I needed treatment because I had been taking chelators just-in-case, simply because of potential lead exposure at work.  I had taken EDTA and DMSA including medical IV chelations before that, without using alcohol or DMSO, so I was mostly free of heavy metal toxicity.  (they give you the drug in order to test if you have lead poisoning because blood or urine tests won't show lead unless poisoning was within the last 24h or unless the lead is stirred up by the removal medicine.)

Some sources online claimed there was a risk associated with getting chelation treatment while having mercury amalgam dental fillings.  I don't know specifically what.  Please research carefully.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Let's see, lead bullets bad. But what about lead fishing sinkers? What about lead scuba weights? What about lead tire weights? What about lead/tin solder?

Just wash up after handling them and never chew on them.

[Solvedit]

Despite my utter lack of medical training, I gleaned that sometimes lead chelation can redistribute metals from one location to another.  I suspected (even though I know nothing of medicine) that it might be helpful to do a few rounds of ordinary chelation to remove heavy metals from the body before attempting to get chelators into the brain. 
 

Let's see, lead bullets bad. But what about lead fishing sinkers? What about lead scuba weights? What about lead tire weights? What about lead/tin solder?

Just wash up after handling them and never chew on them.

None of the other things you mentioned are being subjected to this: 

12 second short video clip:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S0mVqiowP40 

Please consider reading these very few short paragraphs or just the conclusion at the bottom of the 1/3 page length article:
https://ammo.com/comparison/tmj-vs-fmj#:...ammo%20has

[PorkChop96]

Let's see, lead bullets bad. But what about lead fishing sinkers? What about lead scuba weights? What about lead tire weights? What about lead/tin solder?

Just wash up after handling them and never chew on them.

There is no point in wasting your time in this thread, this user is absolutely clueless to reality. They would rather cherry pick this one article about lead being bad but won't listen to people with the real world experience on the subject. All so they can try to hock this DMSA crap

[Solvedit]

There is no point in wasting your time in this thread, this user is absolutely clueless to reality. They would rather cherry pick this one article about lead being bad but won't listen to people with the real world experience on the subject. All so they can try to hock this DMSA crap

You owe it to yourself to google DMSA before you go any further posing as a heavy metals toxicity expert.

[PorkChop96]

You owe it to yourself to google DMSA before you go any further posing as a heavy metals toxicity expert.

I have googled that crap, and nowhere have I claimed to be a "heavy metals toxicity expert". I have simply stated that myself, and others that have commented in this thread, definitely know more from real world experience than you would from reading 1 cherry picked article. 

I work with heavy metals daily, I shoot lead based ammunition on a regular basis, I've worked with lead based paints and other materials, I know the dangers and I have never had as much as a hint of symptoms for heavy metal poisoning. 

I have given you facts, that you have chosen to ignore, on the subject of lead based ammunition and the potential risk of shooting. You only focus on 1 article that barely even touches on the subject of shooting and the dangers of lead. The simple facts are this; if you handle it, wash your hands or wear gloves and wash your hands. It's not that hard and you don't have to take some drug that will do nothing for people that do what I do. The only people that really need to worry about lead poisoning from shooting is if you get shot....

Now, if you are sitting there and just licking lead or eating it, sure go ahead and take your drug. You won't live any longer than if you don't.

[Solvedit]

I have googled that crap, and nowhere have I claimed to be a "heavy metals toxicity expert". I have simply stated that myself, and others that have commented in this thread, definitely know more from real world experience than you would from reading 1 cherry picked article. 

I work with heavy metals daily, I shoot lead based ammunition on a regular basis, I've worked with lead based paints and other materials, I know the dangers and I have never had as much as a hint of symptoms for heavy metal poisoning. 

It may be time for another evaluation. You sound a little adversarial. Your logic also falls short. You only heard one article, so you leap to the conclusion that there is only one supporting my position.

I have given you facts, that you have chosen to ignore, on the subject of lead based ammunition and the potential risk of shooting. You only focus on 1 article that barely even touches on the subject of shooting and the dangers of lead. The simple facts are this; if you handle it, wash your hands or wear gloves and wash your hands. It's not that hard and you don't have to take some drug that will do nothing for people that do what I do. The only people that really need to worry about lead poisoning from shooting is if you get shot....

Now, if you are sitting there and just licking lead or eating it, sure go ahead and take your drug. You won't live any longer than if you don't.

But you admit you're no expert.

Consider googling the risks of airborne lead at shooting ranges and see if only one article comes up.

If I understood what I read despite having no medical training, some sources online claim a blood test for lead exposure will only show lead exposure which occurred 24 hours previously.

[PorkChop96]

It may be time for another evaluation. You sound a little adversarial. Your logic also falls short. You only heard one article, so you leap to the conclusion that there is only one supporting my position.
But you admit you're no expert.

Consider googling the risks of airborne lead at shooting ranges and see if only one article comes up.

If I understood what I read despite having no medical training, some sources online claim a blood test for lead exposure will only show lead exposure which occurred 24 hours previously.

If there are more articles, why are you focusing so hard on this one and only you have been posting on repeat since you started this thread? Seems you only agree with this one article, otherwise you would have posted more.....


You don't read a single thing I post to you do you? I have given you all of the info you need to make an educated decision on this matter yet you refuse to even acknowledge it. You are beyond help

Lead only stays in your blood stream for, up to, 28 days. Unless you are licking and eating lead every day, you are not going to die from MINIMAL the exposure you get at a shooting range. I am done talking to a brick wall on this topic. You stick to your one article and won't listen to logic, you are beyond reasoning and are only here to try and sell DMSA. 

Good luck