Israel Ministers sanctioned by UK, AU, CA, NZ

[andy06shake]

Based on what actual physical evidence such as shrapnel, and weapon type to correlating to physical damage?

Still doesn’t change the fact Hamas treats its civilians as cannon fodder and human shields while they hid in tunnels that civilians couldn’t shelter in.  Where Hamas spent more money on trying to kill civilian Jews than protecting its own civilians.

Ther investigators had physical evidence like crater analysis, fragmentation patterns, vehicle damage, geolocation, and blast radius alongside satellite imagery, eyewitness testimony, and verified media.
 
Again, you are shifting the blame solely to Hamas without addressing the original point.

Credible investigations and news sources, which you have been presented with, after asserting the event was all swept under the rug, including Bellingcat's, found no evidence linking Palestinian militants to the Salah al-Din road strike.

Simply asserting Hamas's cruelty doesn’t negate the responsibility of the attacking party under international law to avoid civilian harm.

Civilians being denied access to tunnels doesn’t justify strikes on civilian convoys without verified military targets.

Your "Hamas is bad" rhetoric(which i agree with) ignores the legal standards of proportionality and distinction.

Can i ask what you would like to see happen to the remaining population in Gaza?

When is enough..............enough?

[WallFlowerActive]

Ther investigators had physical evidence like crater analysis, fragmentation patterns, vehicle damage, geolocation, and blast radius alongside satellite imagery, eyewitness testimony, and verified media.

lots of words, not actual analysis.  Lots of false assurances.  

correlates to what Isreal weapons vs what the Palestinian extremists would have used.

I’m guessing you don’t have anything.  Or you would quote and cite what actual Israeli weapons were used. 

You mentioned drones?  Funny.  The first few months of the incident, no mention of Israeli drones.  Just supposed man fighter jets.  In fact, not lots about Israel using drones in 2023.

I’m guessing the actual damage was more in line with mortars and grenades.  So the story had to evolve to somehow tie to smaller ordinance that wouldn’t be dropped from manned aircraft in 2023. So the drone thing had to be added to change the story to fit confirmation bias.

[WallFlowerActive]

Your "Hamas is bad" 

Hamas is evil.  From the capture and torture of civilian hostages.  Using them for bargaining.  To Hamas using human shields.  To Hamas investing in terror rockets to kill Jews with no real military value.  To Hamas dumping large amounts of its budget into terrorism while ignoring the welfare of its citizens.  Even at the expense of the welfare of its citizens.

[andy06shake]

lots of words, not actual analysis.  Lots of false assurances.  

correlates to what Isreal weapons vs what the Palestinian extremists would have used.

I’m guessing you don’t have anything.  Or you would quote and cite what actual Israeli weapons were used. 

You mentioned drones?  Funny.  The first few months of the incident, no mention of Israeli drones.  Just supposed man fighter jets.  In fact, not lots about Israel using drones in 2023.

I’m guessing the actual damage was more in line with mortars and grenades.  So the story had to evolve to somehow tie to smaller ordinance than what would be dropped from manned aircraft in 2023. So the drone thing had to be added to change the story to fit confirmation bias.

List the false assurances, please?
 
You're guessing quite a lot and making assumptions without presenting any actual counter-evidence.

Again ""Open-source investigations"" like Bellingcat’s used geolocation, crater analysis, blast patterns, and fragmentation to assess the strike.

And the damage was found to be consistent with Israeli drone-fired munitions like the Spike missile.

There's zero physical or visual evidence tying the strike to Palestinian mortars or grenades, and no credible source supports that theory.

Suggesting the "story evolved" to fit a narrative is baseless.

The story evolved as new evidence was analysed, like all responsible investigations do.

That’s not bias, it’s rigor imho. 

What would you like to see happen to the remaining population in Gaza?

Again, when is enough, enough?

[andy06shake]

Hamas is evil.  From the capture and torture of civilian hostages.  Using them for bargaining.  To Hamas using human shields.  To Hamas investing in terror rockets to kill Jews with no real military value.  To Hamas dumping large amounts of its budget into terrorism while ignoring the welfare of its citizens.  Even at the expense of the welfare of its citizens.

Nothing there i have a problem accepting. 

I concur Hamas are indeed terrorist scum. 

But how does that justify Israel's continued attacks on the area against civilians, a significant percentage of such(around half), are children?  

Again, when is enough, enough?

You refuse to address that question.

Do you imagine all 2.1 million people left in the area are part of Hamas?

Because that's simply not the case.

[WallFlowerActive]

Ther investigators had physical evidence like crater analysis, fragmentation patterns, vehicle damage, geolocation, and blast radius alongside satellite imagery, eyewitness testimony, and verified media.

How about instead of false assurances you name what Isreal weapon supposedly caused the damage on Oct 15 2023 that was in line with what missions by radar with what craft and what ordnance would have been carried.

So.  The damage was more inline with grenades and mortars.  What you’re not posting is very telling.

[WallFlowerActive]

I concur Hamas are indeed terrorist scum. 

But how does that justify Israel's continued attacks on the area against civilians, a significant percentage of such(around half), are children?  

Probably in line with a person that has a living baby strapped to them who is attacking you and your family trying to kill you.

its up to the people being attacked how they defend themselves.

[UltraBudgie]

lol anyway israel has bombed the shit out of that hospital many times since
https://news.antiwar.com/2025/04/13/isra...lm-sunday/
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1676...3828900154

as well as gone through destroying individual pieces of hospital medical equipment, one bullet each. were there terrorists hiding inside?
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/202407...-hospital/
https://www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-eas...nt-in-gaza

human shields:

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — The only time the Palestinian man wasn’t bound or blindfolded, he said, was when he was used by Israeli soldiers as their human shield.

Dressed in army fatigues with a camera fixed to his forehead, Ayman Abu Hamadan was forced into houses in the Gaza Strip to make sure they were clear of bombs and gunmen, he said. When one unit finished with him, he was passed to the next.

“They beat me and told me: ‘You have no other option; do this or we’ll kill you,’” the 36-year-old told The Associated Press, describing the 2 1/2 weeks he was held last summer by the Israeli military in northern Gaza.

Orders often came from the top, and at times nearly every platoon used a Palestinian to clear locations, said an Israeli officer, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.

Several Palestinians and soldiers told the AP that Israeli troops are systematically forcing Palestinians to act as human shields in Gaza, sending them into buildings and tunnels to check for explosives or militants. The dangerous practice has become ubiquitous during 19 months of war, they said.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palest...ada159701c

[andy06shake]

How about instead of false assurances you name what Isreal weapon supposedly caused the damage on Oct 15 2023 that was in line with what missions by radar with what craft and what ordnance would have been carried.

So.  The damage was more inline with grenades and mortars.  What you’re not posting is very telling.

False assurances you fail to be able to address or list. 

You keep demanding specifics while offering none, just guesses and lazy deflection.

Investigators like Bellingcat pointed to damage consistent with a "Spike LR missile", used by Israeli drones, not mortars or grenades.

Israel’s drone use is well documented, and their radar tracks and targeting data aren't publicly released, so your “radar + craft” demand is just a rhetorical dead end.

Mortars don’t leave precise craters or fragment patterns like what was found at the scene.

You’re ignoring actual forensic analysis in favor of armchair speculation.

If you had real evidence, you'd cite it, instead, you’re just throwing sh@t and hoping something sticks.

It might be best to remove those rose coloured Israeli glasses and accept the facts you have been presented with numerous times now.

Or not, completely up to you.

And you still refuse to say what you wish to see happen to the remaining population of Gaza, which also speaks volumes.

[andy06shake]

Probably in line with a person that has a living baby strapped to them who is attacking you and your family trying to kill you.

its up to the people being attacked how they defend themselves.

What?

I dont have a clue what you're going on about now.

Mere procrastination or so it seems, because you fail to be able to present any sort of actual evidence to support the claims you're making. 

Israel is the one doing the attacking in Gaza now, which is the topic being discussed.

And Israel is the one responsible for the Salah-al-Din street civilian convoy attack.

If you need to become the enemy, or worse, to defeat them, consider what you have lost in the process?

Again, enough is enough, and i think that is becoming apparent to most people with half a brain.