Jeju Air 737 crash South Korea

[quintessentone]

There is oversight! It’s called challenge-response. Both pilots agree before acting. 

Congratulations, you just described this thing called a checklist.

Nevermind, you aren't getting my point.

[Zaphod58]

Nevermind, you aren't getting my point.

I’m getting your point. You want something that isn’t possible no matter how much you want it to be.

[quintessentone]

I’m getting your point. You want something that isn’t possible no matter how much you want it to be.

You are absolutely right but for only one reason. There is no desire within that industry to spend money on expanding safety measures - before tragedies happen.

[Zaphod58]

You are absolutely right but for only one reason. There is no desire within that industry to spend money on expanding safety measures - before tragedies happen.

Airline safety is already truly incredible. In 2024 there were seven accidents, resulting in a 1.13 accident rate, or one accident every 880,000 flights. There were 244 fatalities with a projected 9.5 billion passengers carried. Adding more safety features requires more cost, more complexity, and more failure points.

[quintessentone]

Airline safety is already truly incredible. In 2024 there were seven accidents, resulting in a 1.13 accident rate, or one accident every 880,000 flights. There were 244 fatalities with a projected 9.5 billion passengers carried. Adding more safety features requires more cost, more complexity, and more failure points.

Adding one more procedural control panel hooked up to the controls ensure the pilots, who may be in a panic or confusion mode, don't make mistakes.

Airline safety is not incredible if one looks at all the near misses, engine fires, malfunctions, injured passengers from turbulence etc. Lots of improvement is needed.

[Zaphod58]

Adding one more procedural control panel hooked up to the controls ensure the pilots, who may be in a panic or confusion mode, don't make mistakes.

Airline safety is not incredible if one looks at all the near misses, engine fires, malfunctions, injured passengers from turbulence etc. Lots of improvement is needed.

And if you look at ANY other industry or medium it’s still incredible. California alone averaged 12 dead a day, and over 5,000 dead in auto accidents last year. You are talking about millions of flights, and billions of passengers moved, using aircraft that can be over twenty years old, and taking issue with incidents where absolutely nothing happened and no one was invited to cherry pick that more regulation or technology is needed.

 And when that new panel fails, are they supposed to ground the plane? Or do they get to MEL it and fly anyway? And those new computers?

[quintessentone]

And if you look at ANY other industry or medium it’s still incredible. California alone averaged 12 dead a day, and over 5,000 dead in auto accidents last year. You are talking about millions of flights, and billions of passengers moved, using aircraft that can be over twenty years old, and taking issue with incidents where absolutely nothing happened and no one was invited to cherry pick that more regulation or technology is needed.

 And when that new panel fails, are they supposed to ground the plane? Or do they get to MEL it and fly anyway? And those new computers?

Taking issue with incidents where nothing has happened (yet) just by dumb luck.

Someone needs to cherry pick for potential issues or symptoms which may indicate future issues, it's called safety measures.

I'll heed the Boeing engineers' because they have the inside scoop, even today, where a whistleblower says that the company is lagging behind fixing their blunders.

[Zaphod58]

Taking issue with incidents where nothing has happened (yet) just by dumb luck.

Someone needs to cherry pick for potential issues or symptoms which may indicate future issues, it's called safety measures.

I'll heed the Boeing engineers' because they have the inside scoop, even today, where a whistleblower says that the company is lagging behind fixing their blunders.

It is not “dumb luck”, it’s good training and good CRM. 

Cherry picking doesn’t lead to better safety or improved safety measures, it leads to more regulation, in many cases entirely unnecessary.

[quintessentone]

It is not “dumb luck”, it’s good training and good CRM. 

Cherry picking doesn’t lead to better safety or improved safety measures, it leads to more regulation, in many cases entirely unnecessary.

As I said before, I'll listen to the whistleblowers who know what's going on.

[Zaphod58]

As I said before, I'll listen to the whistleblowers who know what's going on.

Because no whistleblower in history has blown the whistle to get back at a company and lied. But you keep watching your YouTube videos and thinking you’re an expert or know more than I do.