04-08-2024, 07:00 AM
(04-08-2024, 01:50 AM)Maxmars Wrote: Hundreds of years later came the 'reformation' movement which - for the most part - was inspired by the then mammoth institutions' affliction with the power-hungry, prideful behaviors of corrupted leaders and high-level officers of the clergy.
I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. I've read it through twice and don't get it. While not understanding the point, I will say that I have two comments.
1 - There is no 'catholic vs christian'. Catholics ARE Christians. The original Christians. (See Matthew 16:18-19 where Peter is appointed first head of the church, then see ACTs where apostolic succession takes place). It was the Catholic Council of Carthage in 397AD that put the bible together .. taking the Jewish holy books, and the writings of the early Catholic church ... and putting them together to form the bible.
2 - The quote from your opening post that I have above .. saying that the 'reformation' came about because of corruption in the Catholic church ... I disagree. Read 'The Facts About Luther" by Patrick O'Hare. Martin Luther was a monk who couldn't handle being a monk. He never should have been one. His ego was so bad that he couldn't deal with being obedient to the church, he couldn't deal with celibacy, he couldn't deal with the rules of being a christian. When he broke off from the Catholic church to make his own, he tried to rewrite the bible inserting 'scripture alone', and of course rewriting the bible is forbidden by the bible. When he broke off, he tried to rewrite the bible in other ways, even to the point of trying to throw out the Ten Commandments and he had to be talked out of that by his contemporaries. He also famously said "If the wife is unwilling, then take the maid" - advocating for both adultery and rape. He isn't the wonderful reformer that the Protestants try to make him out to be. He had a lot of flaws, and so many that his contemporaries who wanted reform and who also broke away, thought he was a bit out of control.
Anyways ... like I said, I'm not sure what this thread is supposed to be about and I did read the opening post a few times to try to follow, but I can't. Those are my two comments ... for whatever they are worth to the premise of this thread.
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