(02-18-2024, 11:57 AM)PhyloCFly Wrote:
Wouldn't this lead to Balkanization? I used to be a secessionist when I lived in California. When I was young and full of spunk and vigor. Some in that state wanted to divide it into two states but me, I just wanted to pull out entirely.
Back then Texas was constantly threatening to leave, I said, ''let em go''. I had visions of that Northwest Utopia that was dreamed up by Callenbach when he wrote '' Ecotopia''. Turns out that it was at heart a real sense of things. When I moved father north I found that in spirit it was already in practice with the undeclared state called ''Jefferson State''.
Now there is a move afoot for the annexation of much of Oregon by the state of Idaho to be called Greater Idaho. It would leave the commercial hubs of Portland, Salem and Eugene to the old Oregon. I don't know how this idea is playing out other than there have been a few votes in that direction.
But as for secession, well, I don't think it's desirable. Seems to me that the history of the world is one of accession, societies growing larger and larger until they bust. We might be on that cusp, no, I think we are. The results will not be nice to live with if you ask me.
It`s bit complicated issue ( in my head ) ....or lets say that i think secession in USA would might not be a good idea , thought i am not living there , so my views are not so high value
Buuut, in countries like Russia....i would want secession right this second , but thats another country
If i have the power ( dictator ) i had all Indigenous peoples live in their own setup, own currency ....and own country with no mix to others....but that`s late now
(02-18-2024, 10:52 AM)Maxmars Wrote: In regard to the EU and the U.K.'s "Brexit," I believe there were always doubts in some circles regarding the relationship between "UK sovereignty " and "EU primacy." Interestingly, the same few generations of people who saw the birth of the "European Community" in the '70s and its maturation into the European Union actually experienced, first-hand, all those things they were warned about before they committed to the 'EU.'
The UK was the only sovereign nation that appears to have understood the math and withdrew. The idea that a nation of people should abandon the laws they developed and the courts they implemented, in favor of a 'theoretical' ideal provided by an "outside" entity whose only connection to your nation was 'geographic regionality' proved ill-advised.
But they did demonstrate what many the West thought unlikely... that the 'divorce' could be amicable... go figure.
I think it is difficult to categorize Brexit as a "secession." No nation in that loose affiliation of economic cooperation can be said to be 'subordinated' to the whole... (unless you ask the banks for whom this was all done.)
If you ask me , i think the whole EU was mistake ,as like what it has come. We only need security cooperation , and NATO was allready there to do that , so yeah....a mistake. All European countries should have stayed as were just after WW2 , except the East germany/ ex-soviet which were ruled by USSR ,occupyed .
I would like to hear what UK citizen think about post-brexit etc....