Jeju Air 737 crash South Korea

[Zaphod58]

Serious question Zaphod58, are you a Boeing shareholder?

I do see some improvements over the last few years, but that was only because Boeing was forced to do upper management change ups and start listening to their engineers and employees. Key word: Forced to. I don't see any improvements to passenger in-cabin safety or better survival rates no matter where you choose to sit on a plane.

What I see happening at Spirit Aerosystems is the same mindset to save as much money on manufacturing/production as possible - for profit (and Boeing buys 70% of their fuselages). However, I want to believe the Boeing claim that they are implementing thorough inspections at all points and listening to employees, but are they really? What with Boeing's massive loss of profit lately, and upcoming potential expensive class action lawsuits, they have a lot of catching up to do. The only way for them to make money is to manufacture as many planes as quickly as possible, so I am not sure how they can pull this change of thorough inspection and oversight with that kind of 'make more money' pressure.

If they do indeed buy back Spirit, then I think they have a great opportunity to redesign the fuselage to correct all those issues I mentioned previously in this thread. If they can't redesign the engine systems, then they can surely redesign the fuselage to now allow smoke into the cockpit and passenger cabins, add harnesses to passenger seats etc. These, to me, are the most minimal safety changes they can do.

By the way, another 737-800 had hydraulic failure a day before this crash, from Oslo. Somehow these old planes' maintenance just aren't cutting it any more.

Boeing's stocks are very low due to many factors, including passenger lack of confidence. I myself was looking into planning two trips requiring flying on an airplane. I prefer non-stop and when I saw it was a Boeing plane for the non-stops, I just backed off the planning of the trip because I detest multiple stops and layovers, then I found this video.

Safe skies or hidden risks?

Video: "If it's Boeing, I'm not going."



As for evacuating many people quickly from passenger modules, I am sure where there's a will there's a way and aviation engineers, if given the opportunity, could devise many successful inventions - but as always, make as many planes as quickly as possible for the least amount of money and minimalist thought to passenger safety.

Not that it's any of your business, but I have no business, holdings, or anything else with Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, or any other aerospace company. So shove that where the sun doesn't shine. I'm not defending Boeing here, I'm arguing with someone that doesn't have a clue what they're talking about, and seems to think that they know far more than they do because they "read pilot's blogs". I would be arguing the same if it was any other manufacturer besides Boeing. I believe that Boeing should be held responsible for what Boeing is responsible for, just as with any other manufacturer. Not that they should be blamed for every single thing that happens years down the road, that's not their fault, like a wheel falling off, or a plane crashing due to a bird strike and other errors.

Yes, another 737 had hydraulic problems. Let me guess, you blame Boeing for that too right? Because obviously Boeing is responsible for everything about these planes since they built them, they must do all the work on them throughout their entire life cycle until they're scrapped, right? Fifteen year old plane having maintenance problems, let's blame Boeing, not the people actually working on it.