(10-19-2024, 04:42 PM)Blaine91555 Wrote: I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I became interested in the "Sovereign Citizens" after watching a video of one being pulled over and eventually arrested. Actually, the Sovereign Citizens lately deny they are "Sovereign Citizens" and use other names for themselves, but in reality, they are the same. It's been an interesting rabbit hole to explore. Like the old Montana Freemen, the heart of it is a desire to live by their own rules. At the top of that pyramid lies some hardcore criminals who don't actually believe what they teach. They see their converts as idiots who they can manipulate to do their bidding.
I believe most of them are people who feel powerless in a world that makes no room for them or their beliefs. It's their way of fighting back against a society where they have no power or wealth and will never have those things. It makes them an easy target for both the villains working the scam, and authorities.
I don't think they should accept that this person is harmless. This person may have planned for that day to end differently. One thing the Sovereign Citizens seem to have in common is their disdain for the government. They would not see Trump as an ally IMO.
This is not a person who is as dumb as he's making out to be IMO.
I do agree with all of your points, and I don't think he's a "harmless nut" though I certainly question his decisions and ideas. I do, however, believe that he feels he is there to support and protect Trump... Trump expresses things that give them hope that the old order (which was pretty much a myth and was not something that women or minorities really enjoyed) will be restored.
(10-20-2024, 04:20 AM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: Wrong place, wrong time and wrong day to be a SC! LOL! This guy defines stupid!
Besides, why would a SC go to a presidential rally when they don't believe the executive branch of government is legitimate at all?
As for being 'smart', well, showing up at a presidential rally with a bunch of firearms, fake ID's and fake event credentials, along with with fake license plates sure doesn't restore my faith in college making one 'smart' these days! Pick any one of the above items at a presidential rally and I'd say he wasn't too bright, but choose ALL of them? Yeah, that's downright F'ing "stoopid" if you ask me.
He got busted minimally for being 'stoopid', and he should be charged, minimally, for being 'stoopid', and while he may allege to support Trump, he's no better than an armed illegal alien. Consequently, I'm betting Trump doesn't support him.
Off with his head!
They would go because they like Trump's statements about putting a lot of bureaucrats' that they themselves don't like in jail. His statements about sending in armed forces to deal with Problems In Chicago also likely appealed... basically anything that involves Trump sending in forces to deal with People Whose Opinions Varn Doesn't Like is something he's going to support.
They do tend to like leaders who talk aggressively.
The fake credentials bit is part of their culture, which turns them into "heroes" and supports the idea that they are being victimized by an illegal government that took over from the Real Government defined by the framers of the Constitution. By the way, this doesn't say anything about their education or their intelligence (mind you, I have a low opinion of Varn's education and intelligence, but he's just one person and not the whole movement.)
In any case, they're interesting people. Not the kind I'd hang out with or even join (and I'm not the kind that they would hang out with)... but interesting.
(10-16-2024, 05:54 AM)agit8dchop Wrote: His planes where the real vulnerability is. Sabotage or shoot down isnt out of the question and its the most likely to succeed as well as being the easiest to get away with.
Trump's real vulnerability is fame and money. If you wanted to take him down, send in a pretty girl for him to kiss and hug... someone with a dress that's powdered with anthrax, for instance, or staphylococcus or shigella or the like. It would also work to hand him a check contaminated with something or another and pose with him to take a photo, making sure he's in contact with the contamination for some time.
But the cute girl... that'd be the way to do it. Secret Service isn't going to test her dress for contaminants. Seat her next to him at a dinner event so that she can flirt just a little bit and perhaps hand him a french fry from her plate.
If I was an evil genius with a lot of money and wanted to get rid of Trump, I'd do it that way.
