Let's cut through the BS. Do GUNS kill people, OR...

[Maxmars]

well saying guns dont kill violence kills...
like perhaps saying booze doesnt kill alcholism kills?

or saying captitalizm doesnt kill environment externalized consequence to commons kill environment?

or internet malspeech doesnt kill, people believing and leveraging it does?
after all we're jiust having fun here

military doesn't kill, badpeple who make military necessary kills

guns dont kill people, god kills people
or perhaps only when wearing his satin fingerpuppet

maybe it was all chekovs fault
dang guy could have simply not written that play

anything to avoid personal responsibility eh?
perhap but that is maya too, and objects such as gun must exist as externalizations of innerside people
as within so without as trimaggie said

or is perhaps weaponized attack on constitution! point to weaken, as it is 'absolute', and yet why gunlaws and permits and infingments?  oh well, the founders didn't mean that... for example you say automatic weapons even but what about tanks and bioweapons, those are arms too!  or even nukes, if those were real.

it is a moist slope, banning, "reasonable" infingment for "public safety".

also, free people don't ask permission to be armed, or allow their rights to be curtailed by others mere opinion, so why we even talking about it?  hahah

maybe lets talk something less controversial, like nationalistic zionism... LOST CARRIER....

[Oh my!  I'm in one of those moods... please forgive me if I seem like I'm being a "dick" about what you said.  I promise I respect you, and I am not trying to be a jerk or anything like it... but I find a lot of room to comment on your statements...]

" booze doesnt kill alcholism kills"
Booze is only "booze" because we drink it. Drinking booze does kill... sometimes.  Alcoholism is not a mandatory death sentence... (people recover every day.) People drink... sometimes too much.

" captitalizm doesnt kill environment externalized consequence to commons kill environment"
Capitalism is an economic application of "ownership"... those who use it shield or justify their activities are people... people "do" things... and claim it's "according to" capitalism... people do this.

" internet malspeech doesnt kill, people believing and leveraging it does"
"Malspeech" is "speech" - it, in and of itself, is only an idea expressed... shall we go down the road of ideas kill? "Speech" kills?  And what people believe is not in my domain to judge.

" military doesn't kill, badpeple who make military necessary kills"
The military will and does kill... when it is so commanded.  Talk of those who "order" that and we get right back down to people again.

" guns dont kill people, god kills people"
Gun can kill people, but guns never "murder" people... I don't know that God kills people - that is a matter of faith.

" anything to avoid personal responsibility eh?"

I find that quite contrary to what I was thinking...  Yet, ironically my point about responsibility is exactly the same... I think [opinion] that responsibility is always down to the actor, not the act.   It's about the person, not the "thing."  Things don't commit crimes... specifically things don't 'commit' anything at all... they are inert objects set in motion by personal will... that's were the responsibility lies, the person. Maybe the great deception and illusion of reality means there must always be a "killer" object amongst the souls journeying in life here. Hermeticists aside, the reflective nature of duality is self-evident, guns are linked with both taking and saving lives... whether or not that is a true thing, is in the eye of the beholder.

You might disagree, but I believe the Constitution "intent" had little to do with guns in the specific sense, and everything to do with codifying that citizens must always be capable of defending themselves... to have access to the means to provide that defense - and that the pursuit of that capability was not be imposed upon by externally applied rationale, so long as it was benign. Tech had nothing to do with it.  Only a time-locked fool would think that weapons weren't ever going to improve or become more formidable... The minutiae of specifics was left to those who are living in whatever time came after them.  Not to be trite, but bioweapons... tanks... these are not for personal defense (except maybe for some exceedingly paranoid or stressed out individuals.)

I don't care for the word "infringement" in these contexts... it implies victimhood.  It weakens the subject.  Maybe I just don't have the right words, but I find the whole topic of "rights" as opposed to "Constitutional rights" to be mishandled and mangled all too frequently.

People "do" things.  Sometimes really bad things... objects don't commit crimes, people do.

Taking away a murderers' gun doesn't mean he or she will no longer kill.