09-29-2024, 11:50 AM
This post was last modified 09-29-2024, 12:09 PM by UltraBudgie.
Also worth noting that the experiment was performed on Yale students.
Have you ever actually walked around New Haven? I have. It's one of the most depressing 'two-tiered' places I've ever seen. In the downtown, desperate drug-addled unwashed homeless mix with well-shod university boarding-school cutouts, in manner resembling oil and water. Each exist in their own bubble, and except for a smattering of mercantile class in shops and restaurants, there's virtually no middle ground. Everyone's place is immediately obvious. If you're an outsider, you'll be immediately accosted for money or aloofly ignored. It's quite a friendly place if you play the game, however.
I wondered why Yale and the city tolerate the poverty -- surely they could do something to improve it. New Haven is a nice city. Why does it have one of the worst homeless problems I've ever seen, within blocks of the campus?
I realized that in a way, it acts as part of the Ivy curriculum. Some of the first things you learn are how to know your status, recognize who is outside the club, flock with your own kind, and never never interact in a way that breaks the social barriers. A few years in, and you don't even see them anymore. They're just part of the background. Empathy exists only in the abstract, under full control of the will. It's an essential core learning of the upper political/managerial class in America. 'Privilege 101' is taught as an outdoor class, on the Green downtown.
If the poverty didn't exist, they'd have to import it. It's important, and absolutely necessary.
Now, I'm not saying this skewed Milgram's experiment, but perhaps it might give insight into exactly what his framing was and what he was looking for. Its worth noticing the criticism that the experiments have gotten in recent years, to the point where many consider them effectively debunked:
https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/why-...gram-wrong
Have you ever actually walked around New Haven? I have. It's one of the most depressing 'two-tiered' places I've ever seen. In the downtown, desperate drug-addled unwashed homeless mix with well-shod university boarding-school cutouts, in manner resembling oil and water. Each exist in their own bubble, and except for a smattering of mercantile class in shops and restaurants, there's virtually no middle ground. Everyone's place is immediately obvious. If you're an outsider, you'll be immediately accosted for money or aloofly ignored. It's quite a friendly place if you play the game, however.
I wondered why Yale and the city tolerate the poverty -- surely they could do something to improve it. New Haven is a nice city. Why does it have one of the worst homeless problems I've ever seen, within blocks of the campus?
I realized that in a way, it acts as part of the Ivy curriculum. Some of the first things you learn are how to know your status, recognize who is outside the club, flock with your own kind, and never never interact in a way that breaks the social barriers. A few years in, and you don't even see them anymore. They're just part of the background. Empathy exists only in the abstract, under full control of the will. It's an essential core learning of the upper political/managerial class in America. 'Privilege 101' is taught as an outdoor class, on the Green downtown.
If the poverty didn't exist, they'd have to import it. It's important, and absolutely necessary.
Now, I'm not saying this skewed Milgram's experiment, but perhaps it might give insight into exactly what his framing was and what he was looking for. Its worth noticing the criticism that the experiments have gotten in recent years, to the point where many consider them effectively debunked:
https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/why-...gram-wrong
