07-28-2024, 01:35 PM
(07-28-2024, 12:28 PM)RuchardHurt Wrote: Have you given any thought into how Christianity has been attempting to convert everyone far longer that the LGBTQ+ has?
Absolutely no argument about that, but is this about 'converting' people, or is this about equality and tolerance? Two different things in my book. I thought it was about the latter of the two. Perhaps I misunderstood the point of the performance. If the performance was about converting people, I have 5x more problem with it than I did before. Plus, I don't agree with converting anyone to anything other than what they choose to be (other than criminals). I don't like it when someone shows up at my door, or bothers me in a public place, trying to convert me to their religion, political ideology, or anything else.
(07-28-2024, 12:28 PM)RuchardHurt Wrote: If you want to make the argument that they are way too in ones face about their "program" then you must consider the others attempts to do so. The LGBTQ+ folks have been attacked and put in camps by the Christian faith for generations and even ongoing.
I don't disagree with what you are stating, but in the same breath...two 'wrongs' don't make a 'right'. And, here again, it seems like you are talking about converting people to the LGBTQ+ lifestyle, over tolerance and equality in society for the same. The Christians are equally wrong for their persecution (no argument there either).
(07-28-2024, 12:28 PM)RuchardHurt Wrote: Honestly I believe some people are looking at this in the wrong way. Just look at it as art because that is what the ceremony is. And it seems fairly fitting for the French would you agree?
"Art" I can understand, but true 'art' generally doesn't mock something different from the culture of the artist, it usually celebrates something central to their beliefs. So, in this context, da Vinci's painting of the Last Supper was celebrating the Christian faith and it's founding. The opening ceremony was just the opposite, it was making fun of it. Clearly no sane person would ever make the case that all of the people at the Last Supper, including Jesus, were all LGBTQ+, right? Perhaps some were, but certainly not all.
And here's the thing...if a similar performance had been done using Muhammad and the Islamic faith instead, there would be rioting in the streets right now. Muslims do not see that form of 'art' as art at all, but rather blasphemy of the highest order. And, I'll bet if you ask the organizers and promoters of this event this exact question their response will be an emphatic..."NO WAY would we EVER consider doing THAT!! Not using Islam...NO WAY!!" Therein lies your answer.
If the opening ceremony for the Olympics wanted to have a celebration of the LGBTQ+ community, then they should have done just that, and ONLY that. That would have been okay. But they didn't do this. Instead they had to attach a religion to it. This is where the colossal mistake lies, not the fact that it celebrated LGBTQ+ community.
As to the French doing something like this, yes, it is certainly consistent with the French culture of rocking the boat for the sake of rocking the boat. No argument. However, the International Olympic Games isn't about one country, not even the host. So, in my humble opinion, the IOCC should have stepped in and stopped this before it became the international incident that it has.
One final thought...what if this event caused someone like the Pope for example, or some Cardinal, to come out and render some sort of an official statement of position? Did the organizers think about this? What if the Pope were to come out and take a stand against the LGBTQ+ community for this performance; what then? This builds more of a wall, more of a divide and creates less equality and less tolerance for the very thing they were trying to achieve. Did they think about this? Did they even care?