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Columbia University has fallen
(06-26-2024, 06:29 AM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: No, they should not.  My posture is, the hostage issue needs to be largely resolved first.  If there's some independent outstanding individuals (like 1-2) then perhaps there's some leeway, but short of this, no, there should be no outstanding hostages.

I mostly agree but damn, FCD I got daughters just a little bit older than those women they have refused to release, so far. All the hostges have to be accounted for, it's a completely understandable request.

 
Not sure I understand your question, but I'll try to respond.  Reading between the lines of your question, I interpret it as..."Should Sinwar be allowed to live?".  So, I'll answer accordingly.  If this was not your question, then please clarify.  Answer is as follows:

Sinwar is a terrorist, and Hamas are terrorists.  He should be hunted down like any other known terrorist.  Hamas cannot be part of the negotiations, so what Sinwar does and where he does it, as unfortunate as this is, is a separate matter.

I have no doubt Mossad will track Sinwar's ass down eventually, what I am saying is Hamas needs to out of power, ie that's the elimination of Hamas' key leaders and fighters that is pounding Gaza into the dirt. 

 Israel can have the 1st one; it is not an unreasonable demand.  Israel cannot have the 2nd one unless they do it themselves (alone) and stand to bear the consequences of it (again, alone).  This would be akin to Canada asking the US to go assassinate Putin.  It is not the World's responsibility to clean up the entire planet to Israel's satisfaction before they will agree to come to the bargaining table.  That is unreasonable.  Israel has a really bad habit of throwing one or two impossible prerequisites into anything they don't 'want' to negotiate about.  Sorry, but they can require the first demand, but not the second.  If they want that, then they'll need to go do it themselves and suffer the consequences (all on their own).

So you don't think there ought to be sanctions at the very least on Sinwar and some of the surviving leaders? Im not fine with them counting thier billions Qatar and the US doing nothing. We have sanctioned the hell out of Russia Putin and some of thier business men, how is this different. 
 

Negotiate for what?  Both Israel and the Palestinians have legal standing for territory in Mandatory Palestine.  I am not aware of any other group in the region who have this standing.  Therefore, there's nothing for them to negotiate for.  They either become Israelis or Palestinians, or they leave.

Missed my point, if you bend over and give the the Palestinians statehood so soon after 10/7. What's to keep ISIS or Boko Harem or any other terrorist or criminal group from doing copy cat kidnapping, to get ransoms, or more. Just like airlines had so many copy cat highjackers of planes in the 70s. Not to mention a soverign Palestinian statehood within greater Israel would put the average Israeli under more of a daily threat than they already are, Palestinians too for that matter. 

as for the legalities who attacked who leading to the need to for occupation to begin with, remove 1948 and 1967 lost wars and the Palestinians might already have thier statehood. 

Excellent question.  Well, this has happened, more than once actually, not exactly like that, but the Iran hostage crisis was one example, and the Grenada incident was another.  But in direct answer to your question, the response would likely be a surgical rescue operation to free the hostages and kill as many of their directly involved captors as possible.  More directly, the answer would NOT be to invade Mexico and take over the country (which is effectively what Netanyahu is doing).  BTW...this was a great question!  Well thought up and constructed.  It provides an excellent platform to not only answer your question, but to also draw parallels to current situation.

Im aware of the Iranian Hostage situation and hell I had friends you were in Grenada. Respectfully those don't come close to 10/7 

I can count off the ways if need be. 

How many civilians soldiers or police were killed and raped in both Iran and Grenada?

On top of the cartel has an estimated 175,000 current members and support. 

If we are going to parallel the situation in Gaza, where would we send the Special Forces rescue mission too? What if the cartel stormed El Paso killing thousands,kidnapping hundreds, and taking them back across the border in Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua? It has a population of 1.3 million BTW

How long before the cartel starts to hide behind the innocent Mexicans, just like Gaza separating the two will be difficult. Special Forces couldn't even trust the local police

I'd imagine they could hide the hostages in thier drug tunnels or with the sympathetic or intimidated public, I'd also imagine the cartel would have no problem offing any hostages as soon as they knew an operation was on the way. As well as buy off or intimidate so they could hold them forever, perhaps getting incarcerated members out of jail in Mexico and elsewhere. 

Then what... 
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