Psychiatry Pseudoscience?

[Karl12]

We don't know why it's there, we don't know why the medicine works.  But it does.  (most of the time).

Yes mate - same goes for placebos, Voodoo and homeopathy.

I suppose when I say objective evidence I'm talking about impartial, physical testing (not subjective 'feelings').. for it to be sincerely labelled 'scientifically verifiable medicine'.

I could be wrong but from where I'm sitting these quacks eagerly dispensing woefully under-tested (and extremely powerful) psychotropic drugs to anybody who feels 'a bit depressed' are doing far more harm than good - especially when it comes to the flagrant dosing of children to combat 'invented' conditions.

I don't know if you've noticed recently but the numbers are off the charts.






Incidentally and coincidentally these people are also becoming incredibly rich in the process.

Influential “thought leader” psychiatrists and major psychiatry institutions, by their own recent admissions, have been repeatedly wrong about illness/disorder validity, biochemical causes and drug treatments.

In several cases, they have been discovered to be on the take from drug companies, yet continue to be taken seriously by the mainstream media.

Why Psychiatry Holds Enormous Power in Society Despite Losing Scientific Credibility

Cheers.

[FlyersFan]

I don't know if you've noticed recently but the numbers are off the charts.

Sure.  I have my own opinion about depression and think it's over diagnosed.  But I could easily be wrong about that.  All I can tell ya' is that I know four people with schizophrenia, and the one person who I know about meds on, the meds stop the demons.  The hallucinations and delusions are real.  So their illness is real.  Either that, or they are connected to another reality and the demons actually are real and the human mind can't deal with that fact so it breaks down.  (and I do think that could be true)  But that's a whole other discussion ...

[putnam6]

What an interesting topic,  there are so many other factors and variables involved in human psychology, genetic, environmental, and chemical are just the start. 

No different than certain animals have certain inherent traits. That can moulded into a positive aspect or sometimes based on other factors become a negative one. 

I'm pretty sure some of it is just all part of the human condition, and with 7 billion examples there will be a vast variation of influences and environmental factors involved.

[Karl12]

My humble vantage point of this.

In my MK-ULTRA research things like psychic abilities were also looked into.

I wonder if this is them trying to keep certain people thinking they are "crazy" rather than "gifted." To make something that is a blessing sound like a burden. Then of course prescribe a strong psychotropic drug on them to subdue their "gift."

I can see this being the case in some people.

That was my first thought on this.

Appreciate you sharing that thought FlickerOfLight and certainly some food for thought there (have always liked this chart when it comes to considering unusual things).

One thing's for sure some extremely dodgy and extremely misanthropic 'testing' went on and lots of leading psychiatrists were happily involved in it (see first quote in first post).

Apparently 'virtually no aspect of potential control of human beings went untested' and tens of thousands of people were experimented on including military soldiers, civilians, inmates, hospital patients and children - all without consent.

Don't know if you've seen it but would certainly recommend this film on the subject.



From 7:30





Regarding government documentary evidence despite all the (very) disturbing experiments described many FOIA researchers suspect they were just the tip of the iceberg as Richard Helms ordered the destruction of all related files.

Also some rather dodgy Nazi Paperclip connections and some revealing CIA memos shown at this page although guess we'll never know the true extent of it.


Index To Entire FOIA Archive of CIA Mind Control Documents



Also don't know if you've seen this document written by Colonel J R Rees but it certainly seems very relevant to this thread.

Document written by Colonel J R Rees October 1940 Strategic Planning for Mental Health.


Document - PDF File


Key quotes in the text cover....."Infiltration of social organisations, Our attack on the professions, Long term plan of propaganda, Personality tests for Members of Parliament, Keep [this] Council and our true work hidden.....don't mention Mental Hygiene but do use Mental Health and commonsense....Experiment with films...the right propaganda.....the Oxford Group....Go to it."

This document formulates a hidden and subversive plan to implement Mental Hygiene on British people and society. By Mental Hygiene they mean to re-educate, re-frame, force people into their new way of thinking. Those achieving the new mind-set are deemed hygienic or in a clean state of mental health. [The inference from other documents on this subject and period is that those who do not submit to the new society and hive thought process will be eradicated under the eugenics programmes.]

Rees was involved with the Tavistock Institute and in 1948 was President of the World Federation of Mental Health. Tavistock is a key root of mind control and psychiatric subversion as developed by the Frankfurt School which researched ways of destroying western christian cultures by means of psychological attack on families and society..

Link

Cheers.

[FlickerOfLight]

Wow

Appreciate you sharing that thought FlickerOfLight and certainly some food for thought there (have always liked this chart when it comes to considering unusual things).

One thing's for sure some extremely dodgy and extremely misanthropic 'testing' went on and lots of leading psychiatrists were happily involved in it (see first quote in first post).

Apparently 'virtually no aspect of potential control of human beings went untested' and tens of thousands of people were experimented on including military soldiers, civilians, inmates, hospital patients and children - all without consent.

Don't know if you've seen it but would certainly recommend this film on the subject.



From 7:30

[Video: https://youtu.be/LQucESRF3Sg]



Regarding government documentary evidence despite all the (very) disturbing experiments described many FOIA researchers suspect they were just the tip of the iceberg as Richard Helms ordered the destruction of all related files.

Also some rather dodgy Nazi Paperclip connections and some revealing CIA memos shown at this page although guess we'll never know the true extent of it.


Index To Entire FOIA Archive of CIA Mind Control Documents



Also don't know if you've seen this document written by Colonel J R Rees but it certainly seems very relevant to this thread.




Cheers.

Wow, very insightful. I hadn't considered some of that until now. As I'm sitting this is ringing bells from other research I had done.

That makes perfect sense actually . I know they had covered every aspect that could be thought up.

It's so hard to know the full scale of this. I always think, we only know 1% of this, and that 1% is horrifying in and of itself.

Imagine how horrifying the 99% is that got destroyed.

Thanks for all that info. You opened new doors of thought on this topic. Just when you think you've seen it all, eh?

Ps. This OP came at just the right time for me. This actually falls into Synchronicity with me. Thanks for sharing.

[Karl12]

It's so hard to know the full scale of this. I always think, we only know 1% of this, and that 1% is horrifying in and of itself.

Imagine how horrifying the 99% is that got destroyed.

Thanks for all that info. You opened new doors of thought on this topic. Just when you think you've seen it all, eh?

Ps. This OP came at just the right time for me. This actually falls into Synchronicity with me. Thanks for sharing.

No worries mate - always nice when synchronicity happens and yes god knows what actually went on that we don't know about (as well as Nazis, the US Gov also imported 'Doctors' from Japan's Unit 731).

Regarding 'mind control' remember reading this book years ago and being blown away by the crimes committed by government - it's a cult classic these days and is in free format below.

Operation Mind Control by Walter Bowart.

This is precisely the kind of dangerous information that governments fear. Operation Mind Control is not conspiracy theory. It is documented fact.

Operation Mind Control spoke truth to power as few books published in the past thirty years have done. That is why the government tried to destroy it.

PDF File / E-Book

Don't know if you've read this either but sticking with the conspiratorial aspect of psychiatry there's an informative, hyperlinked article here on the 'Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders' and the weaponization of psychology.



Dissent Into Madness: The Weaponization of Psychology

Cheers.

[ArMaP]

My humble vantage point of this.

In my MK-ULTRA research things like psychic abilities were also looked into.

I wonder if this is them trying to keep certain people thinking they are "crazy" rather than "gifted." To make something that is a blessing sound like a burden. Then of course prescribe a strong psychotropic drug on them to subdue their "gift."

I can see this being the case in some people.

That was my first thought on this.

You may be right, at least partially.

One thing that is different in people with schizophrenia is that they are not easily fooled by the hollow-face illusion.

The Hollow-Face illusion is weaker among people with schizophrenia and other populations with psychotic symptoms, perhaps as a result of reduced tendency to interpret any kind of ambiguous 3D object as convex. It appears to be related to current mental state, namely in regard to current positive symptoms, inappropriate affect, and need for structure. The illusion seems to strengthen among successfully treated patients.

Source

For those that do not know it, this is the hollow-face illusion.

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Sure.  I have my own opinion about depression and think it's over diagnosed.

To me, it's mostly over self-diagnosed, at least in Portugal, as it's too easy to say "I'm depressed, I cannot go to work" (or something like it).

All my siblings and myself have a tendency for depression, and my younger sister had the strongest case of all of us. The medication they gave her resulted, but it was relatively hard for her to get rid of them.

[Maxmars]

You may be right, at least partially.

One thing that is different in people with schizophrenia is that they are not easily fooled by the hollow-face illusion.
Source

For those that do not know it, this is the hollow-face illusion.

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q_kSrOVdHw]

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To me, it's mostly over self-diagnosed, at least in Portugal, as it's too easy to say "I'm depressed, I cannot go to work" (or something like it).

All my siblings and myself have a tendency for depression, and my younger sister had the strongest case of all of us. The medication they gave her resulted, but it was relatively hard for her to get rid of them.

I strongly agree with you about the 'self-diagnosis.'

So many times I have had to explain to people "You might NOT be depressed... it is normal to feel sad and overwhelmed with a crap situation and the recurring knocks of life...  not every discomfort is an illness of the mind." 

Many people are conditioned to believe that 'feeling sad' can only be done secretly, and that emotional difficulties are gauche.  It is a social demon we must eliminate somehow.  I find it akin to people who can never feel it's socially acceptable to be overweight or have some problem you can't easily hide... we could learn a lot from children in that regard.

While it is true that medications and formulas do help with symptoms and comfort... they are often nowhere near a "cure" for anyone but the people around you.  Side effects are "tolerated" by many, but some just can't shake that their perceptions have been chemically altered... 

We need Psychiatrists and doctors to more strongly align with the idea of 'do no harm' and 'the objective is to heal and comfort the patient" and NOT make it "easier" for the parent, partner, or school teacher...  Too many are reduced to zombies, rendered unable to even attempt to cope, or learn how to.  And some sadly give up trying.  But zombies make for complaint and silent patients... easier for them... and no complaints.

[Karl12]

Sure.  I have my own opinion about depression and think it's over diagnosed.  But I could easily be wrong about that.  All I can tell ya' is that I know four people with schizophrenia, and the one person who I know about meds on, the meds stop the demons.  The hallucinations and delusions are real.  So their illness is real.  Either that, or they are connected to another reality and the demons actually are real and the human mind can't deal with that fact so it breaks down.  (and I do think that could be true)  But that's a whole other discussion ...

Well that's fair enough mate and I understand where you are coming from.. if I was in the same position as that girl and the meds actually worked then I would take them as well - and yes that other aspect is a whole new thread discussion in itself.

As for where I'm coming from - she doesn't mention the huge financial kickbacks but thought there was a pretty honest appraisal from a psychiatrist here:



Very short video:



Cheers.

[Kenzo]

From dr. Peter R. Breggin ,MD website  ( American psychiatrist )


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