ILLUMINATION: Dimensions / Degrees – Da Vincis Last Supper And The Philosophers Stone

[quintessentone]

Also worth mentioning ...

In the Bible, the personification of DIMENSION (Demeter) is DANIEL

DANIEL very literally means DIMENSION

Also as for the Christian God we just assume is masculine, nowhere in the Bible does it state either or. Some Christians believe God is neither male nor female.

[Sirius]

I will be writing some threads comparing in detail the proceses of INITIATION (the lesser mysteries) and ASCENSION (the greater mysteries) within Sinai Illumination and the (Masonic) Ancient Egyptian mystery school tradition detailed within the Crata Repoa

Gratitude. I have been chasing Hermes whole day.

[Compendium]

So without knowing whether or not your #2 subject is feminine or masculine, then your theory falls short.

Also, as to Da Vinci's method of painting and it's application in The Last Supper...I was taught the same method of subject positioning in my art lessons.

As well, Greek mythology is a hodgepodge of gender, perhaps also fractal in nature?:
 

You are missing the point

All 13 of those people represent dimensional aspects of same person

They are all the varying degrees within which a person is able to visualise themselves within the structure of the world

1, is your conscious emanating from centre or kore. "Internal", within you
2, is your external "self". Your perception of what the core centre exists "within"

And so on, as described in the original post

The nature of each degree is dependant on YOU, who are the source

If you, as 1, perceive the internals of your body as 2 (still external to your 1), then this could be said to be feminine in nature, because it is "inside" your body

Regardless of if you are male or female

But to your conscious as the source 1, in sequence, it is "outside"

Usually, if you as 1 are male, then both 2 and 3 would both be regarded as male also. As they are perceptive degrees of your tribulation

If you are female, they could be said to be female

4th would be external looking inside. As with width around equator
5th would be internal looking external. As with depth of meridian

These dimensions correlate to spheres such as the planet, but they are all still you, the perceiver

13th is the first dimension that is said to be a (1) entirely of its own

Which is why 13 is said to be unlucky. Because though it is relative to your, it's primary is someone else

So "someone else wins", not you

But these dimensions are fully reversible

You sitting here speaking to me, you are 1st-12th, and I am 13th
Me sitting here speaking to you, you are 13, and I am 1st-12th

1 = Un
2 = To
3 = The/Thee

The 1st person "Sphere"

11 = And
12 = Too
13 = Thee/The

The 2nd person "Sphere"

This is why Mary and Jesus are shown leaning outwards from each other

They are one in the same within cycle, but they sit outwards and opposite from each other, within reflection, as two different people

These dimensions and the symbols we use for their numbers align with everything. Maths, physics, the table of elements

They are the reason our numbers are drawn the way they are, as I illustrated in the images on the original post

When you understand the structure relative to self "Initiation", you come to understand the structure relative to the world and everyone and everything within it "ascension"

Within which, you come to be able to steer the world, rather than merely being steered by it

It is the same structure for everything

As with initiation teaching you the the sun in the sky, is one in the same as the conscious within you

They are not "like" each other. They "are" each other

A concept taught as far back as the Sumerian tablet of Shamash

By recognising this structure, you come to recognise the alignment of the planet to your body. Of the solar system to your body

Of the stars to your body

As well as the alignment of all these things to each other

You can see which countries, are which organs in the human body

Which planets are which layer within the physical body

Which stars align with which cities and towns on a map

The primary sequence of dimensions is the key to all this understanding

For some it is very simple to visualise and consider

Others find it difficult as they are too stuck within programmed linear dimensional thinking to perceive the complex non-linear dynamics of cyclical phase

The best I can do to simplify it, is to tell you that the world and universe around you is an externalised version of your internal body

Again, this is an easy enough concept to consider or visualise

The hard part is to truly understand it, as you do yourself

So that you can become effectual from one to the other

You can use the world to heal yourself, as you use yourself to heal the world

This is what the process of initiation (the lesser mysteries) and ascension (the greater mysteries) teaches

What I am presenting here is just one important part of what is taught within early initiation, that is rarely shared, which it seems Leonard Da Vinci understood very well

[quintessentone]

You are missing the point

How could I have missed the point when your whole point depends on whether something is feminine or masculine?

[Compendium]

How could I have missed the point when your whole point depends on whether something is feminine or masculine?

Nothing depends on male or female

Unless you definitively portray 1 as being male, or female

As I said within the post about the Kybalion, gender is irrelevant

Because 1-13 is fully reversible with 13-1

There is only INTERNAL and EXTERNAL

It is only because Jesus is depicted as male

Again ...

If you considered 1 as male, then the external of this would also be considered male, because it is external

But ... If you were talking about the internals of your body (from an outside perspective) they could also be considered female

Because 1, 2, 3 as well as 11, 12 and 13, are all genderless

UNLESS YOU PRESENT THEM WITHIN REFLECTION, DEFINING THEM BY GENDER

Then, it becomes conditional on from what perspective you are perceiving them

If 1 is male, so would 2 and 3 be

But if you were to perceive them from 4 or above, looking backwards (inwards) at the source, then they become female

This is a similar concept to the passing of time and bloodline

15th dimension/degree = Time passing to you (East)
16th dimension/degree = Time passing from you (West)
17th dimension/degree = Bloodline passing to you (North)
18th dimension/degree = Bloodline passing from you (South)

That which passes "to you" could be said to be male
That which passes "from you" could be said to be female

But they are neither

It depends on how you perceive it from your position. Which for many is locked in linear perspective

You can see the sun as just setting, but you can also see it as the sun that will soon come

As I explained in the original posts about the doors being completely reversible depending on which direction within cycle you at them from

Within a cycle, there is no masculine or feminine. There is only internal (1) and external (2) with direction (3)

The only thing that JESUS (being male) and MARY (being female), leaning outwards from each other is supposed to tell you, is that Jesus is the starting point within the cycle, and Mary is the end point within the cycle

But again. This is fully reversible

Mary could be 1 and Jesus 13

The only thing that is necessary to distinguish the differences between the two (such as linear gender) is 13 dimensions

Two spheres of 3 on each end

With triangulated 3 dimensions (width, depth, height) for position
And squared 4 dimensions (left into, right out from, forwards, backwards) to give directional perception between the spheres

At this structures most basic, gender is completely irrelevant

It only exists within reflections. Such as art work

Or a confused person who believes that defining their gender will bring the same type of balance within themselves, as the closing of one persons cycle to them seeking their "partner" or balance

They just attempt to do within themselves, what most other people seek to do with other people

But again ... "Gender" is a concept of reflection, whose only purpose is the promotion of greater cycles or subsets

It is irrelevant to the base structure of our cyclical dimensions

And it is irrelevant within initiation and coming to understand who you are

[quintessentone]

Because 1, 2, 3 as well as 11, 12 and 13, are all genderless

UNLESS YOU PRESENT THEM WITHIN REFLECTION, DEFINING THEM BY GENDER

Then, it becomes conditional on from what perspective you are perceiving them

Beautifully and effectively explained, thank you.

[midicon]

I am finding a lot of this very interesting and might have a question or two somewhere down the line.

Appreciate all the time you have put into this, and your insight/undestanding of the subject matter!

A lifetime more or less, I'm sure.

[quintessentone]

Compendium wrote:

Any considerations beyond this are based within ego, which is contrary to initiation practices

It is very literally impossible to be an initiate, if you think in terms such as gender, race, or other nominum illusory designations

It took me most of a day to rebalance my mind after reading the Kybalion

It is an absolute mess

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Why use any historical text at all if they are not only a mess of a lack of understanding, per you, but also written only by men with skewed thoughts and rules?

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Where do we go now for unbiased illumination, or are you confident you can pull apart from all historical sources to find the right path?

[Compendium]

Compendium wrote:

Any considerations beyond this are based within ego, which is contrary to initiation practices

It is very literally impossible to be an initiate, if you think in terms such as gender, race, or other nominum illusory designations

It took me most of a day to rebalance my mind after reading the Kybalion

It is an absolute mess

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Why use any historical text at all if they are not only a mess of a lack of understanding, per you, but also written only by men with skewed thoughts and rules?

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Where do we go now for unbiased illumination, or are you confident you can pull apart from all historical sources to find the right path?

Well caught there. My apologies ...

I should have worded that as "IT SEEMS TO ME to be a mess, based on what I understand from my own experiences"

Rather than speak in the definitive term, "It is a ..."

Definitive terms limit possibility

One should always be as equally open to being wrong, as they are right

I also should not have said something "impossible"

Merely, highly unlikely

In my defence, it was late and I was writing rushed responses on my phone

To your question

My understanding is a common answer needs be pulled apart from all historical sources, as you so well put it

In the version of initiation I went through, we are made to study the traditions of the Sumerian, Norse, Egyptian, Greeks, Romans and many others (incidentally)

Within which, the purpose is to align a common meaning within all their teachings

A common meaning that then needs to fit within biology and physics, geometry and mathematics

If you find something which correlates across 2 or more distinct historical sources, you are on the right path

If it does not quite work, you look deeper and simplify the concept to its fundamentals. Then if it works for my sources, work back up from this to see how the specific sources varied

When you find 2 or more sources, that also align with concepts we understand today, then there is very high probability that you are correct

Or at least, "more correct" then other interpretations based on single sources, which correlates to very little except themselves

A good example of this, is the concept discussed within this thread with the primary sphere of 1st, 2nd and 3rd dimension, relating to INTERNAL, EXTERNAL and DIRECTION, within the structure of not only the individual conscious and perception, but also within the forming of all levels of internal biological and external geometric torus, spheres or cells

Whether it be the smallest cell, or the largest galaxy

Which also then aligns seamlessly with the Biblical understanding

Father - External
Son - Internal
Holy Spirit - The direction which comes "between"

This concept also aligns within the various "Trinitys" of many cultures

FREEMASONS
Entered Initiate – Primary (Internal)
Fellowcraft – Secondary (External)
Master Mason – Gateway (Directional)

CATHOLIC
Father – Primary – Thought (External)
Son – Secondary – Emotion (Internal)
Holy Spirit – Gateway – Spirit (Directional)

ROSICRUSCIAN
Head – Thought
Heart – Emotion
Hara (Gut) – Action

DAO
Qi – Mind
Shen – Heart
Jing – Body

TCM
Upper Dantian
Middle Dantian
Lower Dantian

BUDDHIST
Thought
Speech
Action

SUFI
Head
Heart
Hand

PHYSICS – ELEMENTS
Gas – Sky
Liquid – Sea
Solid – Earth

ASTRONOMY
Earth – Brain / The Complex
Venus – Veins / The Flow
Mars – Muscle / The Flesh

EGYPTIAN

Akh – Arch
Ba – Bear
Ka – Carry

ILLUMINATED
(Un) The Eye – Mind / Sun / Sky
(To) The Waters – Heart / Moon / Sea
(The) The Hand – Body / Solar System / Earth



Then there is

Genesis - Internal (Biology)
Exodus - External (Geometry)
Leviticus - "The leavening" (Vectoring / Direction)

Which are followed by

Numbers - Primary Sequence
Deuteronomy - Letters / Secondary Sequence

It is not by coincidence that these 5 books are named "The Torah"

It refers to the geometric Torus

Horus is the external, light
Set is the internal, darkness

When you simply these types of considerations down to internal, external and direction, they all fit perfectly

Some versions are more specific than others, such as the 3 spheres of the "trimanifested" self listed above

But they are all based on the same underlaying structure

This is how all things within the mysteries need be considered

The most important information ever passed down through history by the various cultures, were not the exploits of particular people of their time

Rather, they were the personification of important conceptual understanding about creation and the structure of the physical world

The beauty of considering and aligning things in such a way, is that it cannot be disputed

Considerations, for example, such as whether or not Jesus Christ actually existed become irrelevant to the deeper intended meaning behind his allegories

His story aligns with that of Kore and Demeter, because it teaches the same principles

Historical accuracy becomes little more than the manifestion of cyclically probability

As with our tradition teaching that the original intended meaning of the word "Christ" is "Cycle"

If you analyse the stories of "Christ" translating it as "Cycle" it works perfectly

"Cycles" are crucified (crossed) to pass away, then rise again

It is why so many believe the "anti-cycle" (Antichrist) needs to come, before the cycle (Christ) can return

It is why so many await the cycles (Christ's) return. Because that is what cycles do. They leave and return

Every single consideration and story for the word "Christ", works perfectly if you translate it as "Cycle"

Which means, there is a very high probability that this is what the word originally meant

So "belief" cannot interfere with understanding of deeper meaning

And the deeper meaning does not interfere with personal belief

When you unlock "key" words in the Bible, the most common verses take on a very different meaning

Without being in any way contrary to what people believe they mean

This is why modern religions are terrified of the coming universal religion

Because it does not conflict with their beliefs. It merely supercedes the root of their understanding

And to many, the possibilities within such are terrifying

There is, in essence a whole new understanding being given to many people around the world, for what amounts to a whole new book

But the roots of such will the same as they ever have been

For me, it seems much easier to correct certain understandings within existing texts that I am able to, based on what I understand, and offer deeper more detailed processes where possible

To possibly help those already invested in such texts

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Illumination has too much reading and not enough Olanzapine. Or it comes off that way for us lowly unitiated mortals that haven't fit the divine pieces together yet.

For fun:

My favorite scales on the planet are Hungarian Minors. Gypsy scales. Love 'em. Especially the augmented 4th. With a C tonic the notes are; C, D, E♭, F♯, G, A♭, and B.

If you overlaid the scale it corresponds to; Bartholomew, Andrew, Judas, Thomas, James the Greater, Philip, and Simon the Zealot.

This is also a really dark scale. They were avoided by composers for the devil in music. Diabolus en musica, the augmented 4th, which was taboo..

But if you start with a C tonic, this "demonic sounding" scale augments itself past The Divine Feminine. The devil in music skips right over MARY (I agree with Dan Brown, that's not freaking John The Apostle), Jesus, and the Holy bloodline altogether. But only if you designate both halves of the sacred triangle, Mary and Jesus, as the 4th.

It's probably just coincidence, and not every tonic not works, but still, it seems it just takes a little effort to make unrelated things line up in trippy ways.

This piece uses a C minor with augmented notes in places.