Immigration 2025

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

⚠️ Disclaimer: This is not intended to bait, but I don't want to stay silent, and have put it on the Deny Politics side. I am an advocate for laid back immigration policy concerning undocumented migrants.

Sorry not sorry.

The fight begins.

At the heart of this is this statement:

CBP has released more than 100,000 migrants into San Diego in the past year. The vast majority—more than 95% of them—only stay in town for a few days before connecting with relatives or friends in other parts of the country, according to data from the County of San Diego.

Our 5% are awesome. They rarely end up homeless or in prison, but the 95% that go elsewhere are the problem. And it looks like we are going to be federally forced to stop them whether we like it or not. Because our sanctuary policy harms places like Indiana and Ohio. We will be told we can't be that sanctuary anymore.

So how is this going to play out?

Trump Allies Threaten To Imprison San Diego Officials Who Fight Deportation

But I read that, and my first response is far from fear. It's a fear tactic sure, but it's not changing my immigration views. It's actually making me really really want to fight Trump. That's gotta apply to others.

I wish I was a county official that could go to jail for violating the threats of former Project 2025 Advocate, Stephen Miller.

I wish I could have THAT pulpit to fight this unsettling thing I believe is happening, but have to settle for use of my unabridged free speech in lieu of really being able to defy it.

Like me, I think there will be a willing subversive network forming.

Mexico is developing an app for migrants to alert them to impending detainment

A technological one. I say a WAYZ like platform updated by users for observed ICE activity.

It might end up with mass defiance. I already want to help migrants escape ICE. I have a desire to violate future federal law and risk everything because I am so opposed to the threatened upcoming immigration policy. And I guarantee there are enough like me, that it might take heavy-handed methods that inevitably draw cries of fascism.

There will be alert apps like the one being developed by Mexico. People will form networks and countermeasures to get migrants out of harms way, and it might become a defiant underground light-rail system.

The defiant all have our cameras and right to film ready to demonize La Migra if seen operating in publicly accessible locations. If the defiant can't keep them safe they will film law enforcement and proliferate the internet with videos of ICE being likened to storm troopers.

Maybe I'm getting way ahead of things, but my heart is already bleeding, as my worst fears about this administration are getting slowly confirmed. It's still mostly wait and see right now, but late January approaches quickly and defiant California is gearing up for a fight.

[SourGrapes]

So, what's your solution?

[SourGrapes]

So, what's your solution to the current immigration problem? Should all current immigrants be given citizenship?

[quintessentone]

Complicated issues don't have easy solutions.

[sahgwa]

I am all for deporting people that are here illegally.  If you want in, you come in the right way.

Countries in other parts of the world have a zero tolerance for illegal immigrants as they know it hurts the nation, culturally, socially and economically.   Where are the 'bleeding hearts' crying about Japan, South Korea, or China, who actually protect their borders? 

My wife came to the USA with proper visa from Europe and it took a lot of stress, years and money.

Letting people come over the border who are not refugees from war, with no documentation ,vetting, or paying their own way, is wrong.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Thoughts and non-solutions.

It's not like they're at record numbers or percentage of the population. Actually 11.5 million undocumented is lower than 2008, when we had over 12.

I think it's a purposely exaggerated problem using the same scapegoating tactics as every autocratic takeover. I can't let the overblown purposely sensationalized aspect of this go.

Covid is over. The global recoil recession is gone. Our numbers jump massively ever time the globalized economy has a downturn. This is like going to the zoo on Saturday and proclaiming a population increase because there are more people there.

It's a racheted up issue made to seem dire, and taking tactics beyond those taken during Bush or Obama is unnecessary.

Yeah there are 11.5 million, but percentage-wise it's still well below 2008.

So why weren't people cheering for heavy-handed cruel immigration then?

Because they weren't yet told to be pissed at it. It was still all about a birth certificate and socialized Healthcare. Illegals, though being in higher numbers were not being used as a centerpiece rhetoric issue yet.

As far as the illegal ones that didn't go though proper channels. I say being from an actual Banana Republic, like Honduras, is enough.

"What are you're reasons for declaring asylum?"

"I'm from Latin America, where you get killed for being the neighbor of a cartel target."

"Welcome."

I also think we owe it to Central America. We did sort of instill a lot of puppet contra governments to start a domestic war of racist inner city drug interdiction, after all.

l really don't like the ones that are already here, settled, and working, being threatened, and the people refusing to help round them up being threatened. Makes me sad.

Shut the border. We can't stop that, but we can refuse to participate in rounding them up.

I realize I can't up and move to Europe. EU countries are surprisingly hard to expatriate to, including needing to prove financial viability even for Americans, but it's always going to be a two-tiered system.

The wealthier you are, the harder it is. And I still think the tempest tossed huddled masses apply to downtrodden Latin American gang havens and oppressive Muslim shitholes.

One of my grandparents, parents came from Syracuse in 1898. Just needed to wait in line and give a name. And they didn't screen for any cosa nostra ties or anything.

I think we have something similar to that here. Only instead of waiting in a New York Harbor to get processed they give they're name to the border patrol. Who then gives them a court reference number and releases them. They only problem is one of processing ability.

Not like they all need shelter or handouts. Just process them and let them call their family member already settled in the US. They stay here like 2 days, find the cousin who can get them the job, and they're gone. Rarely to be homeless.

Which is another point worth bringing up. The war fleeing ones, the ones from destroys middle east slums with no American connections are the ones that end up homeless and bilking the system, and the Latin ones everyone wants gone are the ones that will contribute to the economy most.

Everyone makes exceptions for the displaced war torn refugees when they are the ones putting the greatest financial strain on government and charities.

I could go on, but that's enough elaborating on my bitching.

[Blaine91555]

People running away from their problems is the opposite of solving problems. It's not cruel to think that those fleeing their own countries should stand and fight where they are. It's how our country was created. Many fought and died. Many risked starvation, disease, and death to build our country.

If others want what we have they should do as we did and fix things where they are. It is the only true solution to their problems. We can best help them as advisors while they free their own countries. We can help them far more that way, than if we bankrupt ourselves by paying for those who ran, rather than fighting for their own futures.

People are always threatening to leave the US when things don't go their way. They never follow through on their childish tantrums, however, as there simply is not a better country to go to.

No government can stand up to a united people, period end of subject. These people coming here can and should be freeing themselves and fixing their own countries.

[KKLoco]

Hey IP,

I almost responded when you first wrote this. However, I decided to refrain. We both know that we don’t agree on these topics. But cooler heads always prevail.

All I’m going to say is, this is a lot of projecting on your part. Please wait. Maybe you’re right. And if you are, I’ll be the first to admit it. However, I implore you to ‘see what happens’. I don’t think it will be any where near as bad as you think.

Even though we don’t agree, I still value your input.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

What's a cooler head with Trump's picks in the equation? Pick a few more Heritage Foundation jackasses...

But "TDS" is no joke. I suffer mightily from it at times. Or had it triggered this time by the threat of Miller saying he would jail people in my county over not helping the suddenly noble federal government round up illegals.

Make my wonderfully run county, with a no bullshit centerist DA, and the lowest crime rate of any metropolitan area over 1 million, a target of a made up crime epidemic of convenience to election rhetoric? No thank you.

1 of every 20 stays here, meaning we have 50,000 new undocumented immigrants in our county in 2024 alone, yet we didnt even record 35 homicides, and crime has fallen every year since the 2021 covid fallout high everyone experienced, when we recorded 57 homicides. Rape, assault, and robbery is also down from 2021.

And their certainly not on our streets. I don't know where people get that from.

Our homeless are people that were cut off by the state for taking advantage of handouts. The endemic of homeless were the ones that abused leniency during the covid rent moratorium and could not resolve their outstanding debt.

And as of today, their shitty social behavior of causing headaches for loss prevention and police is a felony when you steal to save your money for drugs. 70% of the population is cheering the change prop 36 officially brings. Criminalized homeless thievery.

I think it was a perfect storm of things people could blame on the wrong things. You could blame inflation on democrats instead of covid and Russia. You could blame crime on immigrants instead of covid and shirty poor domestic elements. You could blame everything on a polarized scapegoat and shoot all nuance and truer reasons to oblivion.

I see this heavy-handed threat as a continuation of blaming the wrong things. Now comes vengeance upon California. Scapegoating of the apex boogeyman of the exaggerated and misattributed problems that swung this election to a landslide.

Said TDS also gives me a completely different view of an archetypal devil about to play peacemaker.

[KKLoco]

What's a cooler head with Trump's picks in the equation? Pick a few more Heritage Foundation jackasses...

But "TDS" is no joke. I suffer mightily from it at times. Or had it triggered this time by the threat of Miller saying he would jail people in my county over not helping the suddenly noble federal government round up illegals.

Make my wonderfully run county, with a no bullshit centerist DA, and the lowest crime rate of any metropolitan area over 1 million, a target of a made up crime epidemic of convenience to election rhetoric? No thank you.

1 of every 20 stays here, meaning we have 50,000 new undocumented immigrants in our county in 2024 alone, yet we didnt even record 35 homicides, and crime has fallen every year since the 2021 covid fallout high everyone experienced, when we recorded 57 homicides. Rape, assault, and robbery is also down from 2021.

And their certainly not on our streets. I don't know where people get that from.

Our homeless are people that were cut off by the state for taking advantage of handouts. The endemic of homeless were the ones that abused leniency during the covid rent moratorium and could not resolve their outstanding debt.

And as of today, their shitty social behavior of causing headaches for loss prevention and police is a felony when you steal to save your money for drugs. 70% of the population is cheering the change prop 36 officially brings. Criminalized homeless thievery.

I think it was a perfect storm of things people could blame on the wrong things. You could blame inflation on democrats instead of covid and Russia. You could blame crime on immigrants instead of covid and shirty poor domestic elements. You could blame everything on a polarized scapegoat and shoot all nuance and truer reasons to oblivion.

I see this heavy-handed threat as a continuation of blaming the wrong things. Now comes vengeance upon California. Scapegoating of the apex boogeyman of the exaggerated and misattributed problems that swung this election to a landslide.

Said TDS also gives me a completely different view of an archetypal devil about to play peacemaker.

With estimates of 14-18 million illegals crossing the border in the last 4 years, do you think our federal government has the bandwidth to deport all of them? Additionally, that doesn’t encompass illegals in all entirety throughout time?

The only thing you have to fear is illegal criminals being deported. And that’s something you should applaud, not fear. I’ll say it again, this government does not have the bandwidth to perform what you’re describing. 

I like discussion. After all, that’s what we are all here for. However, I implore you to ‘table’ your TDS, and ‘see what happens’. BTW, I applaud you for at least admitting you have that. Most don’t.