I support abortion because I don't think rapists should be allowed to be fathers

[DBCowboy]

Who says?  You?

Thousands, probably 100s of thousands of already LIVING CHILDREN need care. 

This world does not need one more unwanted child.

I rest my case.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Women’s right to their reproductive choices should not be divided by states.  It should be federal applying equally for all women. 

Actually — It should not be legislated on at all — by anyone. 

What gives any person that right?

It didnt take? Lasted all of 6 months? 

But to defend my iconoclastic self, my logic was this.

States invoke other things in the same ballpark, like right to euthanasia.  And if they can leave THAT up to the states to allow it, and no one has a problem with it, and if a fetus is equal to the elderly (legally via UVVA), It's the same type of right to choose death. The same right to privacy and bodily autonomy being left to the states. 

But like I said, that was only my attempted compromise and swirling in that grey area of comparable autonomy  was short-lived.

[ANNEE]

States invoke other things in the same ballpark, like right to euthanasia.  

We're good 

IMO euthanasia is also a personal choice -- and no other person's business.

Should be "right of choice" across all states and territories.

[AdmireTheDistance]

Who says?  You?

Thousands, probably 100s of thousands of already LIVING CHILDREN need care. 

This world does not need one more unwanted child.

An unborn child is also a living child.

[ANNEE]

An unborn child is also a living child.

A potential human is not.

The world does not need one more unwanted child.

[Maxmars]

I appreciate the civics and ethics that collide here.

It is clear that the old misapprehension that Roe v. Wade was an actual "law" created the illusion that the struggle was essentially over... it was never over.

As long as there is a conceptual divide here, this can't really be resolved as a matter of 
social justice, civil compliance, and 'democratic' processes.

This must recognized as sourced by a decision, a choice.

No matter how anyone slices this pie... it's not "ours" to make.

Yes... it either represents a huge moral decision... OR ... it's a 'nothing' issue - inflated by superstition.

That's why the law doesn't belong there... it is a personal choice... it depends on faith.
sticking with 'consequences' - why are they all punitive.. if not to speak of bias?

The base argument is there should be no extra social punishment for choosing this path...
the difficulty of such a choice, or it's availability are after-the-fact considerations... logically speaking...

But as clearly implied... it is not fair to assume all pregnancies should be sustained... especially without the benefit of being the person deciding.

Many people I speak with more or less fear the availability of 'no-questions asked' abortion clinics become a factor in discouraging long term family connections, and further deteriorate social bonding between men and women.... and also... rampant sexual abandon seems a bit harsh... but the specter is there... probably a remnant of Puritans in our collective pasts.

These perspectives cannot reconcile as long as there is no agreement about when a human rates protection... has the right to live - regardless....

Now enter the seed of a criminally violent forced union... or a union society has condemned...
Seems presumptuous to even begin to judge that the offspring be summarily targeted for execution.

[SteamyAmerican]

I support it, because as a man I shouldn’t have a say over what a woman does with her body.

and yeah, it sucks I don’t get a say in the event I want one.

but that kids is called personal responsibility.

[Maxmars]

I support it, because as a man I shouldn’t have a say over what a woman does with her body.

and yeah, it sucks I don’t get a say in the event I want one.

but that kids is called personal responsibility.

But doesn't that imply that men are not part of the pregnancy?
That they are 'disconnected' from it?
Who has no choice now?

Also doesn't it also imply that the disagreement is a 'man' v 'woman' issue? 
Women do object as well.

The "it's my body" shield died with COVID.

And yes... any "kid" is a responsibility... I should know.... I was one once... (still am.)
For me that knee-jerk objection to pro-life arguments is a loosing argument.

If you think the creature in you is a creature... it has no choice either.
If you don't ... you can't 'persuade' people who sincerely do...

This is a personal thing... resolved by personal choice... each different... each "inside" a life observers aren't leading...

Shouldn't I say it?

Judge not.

[SteamyAmerican]

That’s just like my opinion man.

like where I’m coming from personally. As a man. No one has to agree here. Would I like it if women could dictate me having a vasectomy? No. Indeed not.

just like I find it abhorrent men in power gleefully wield the axe on the issue like it’s NOT a personal choice. That is all.

i ain’t judging. Just saying I’d abstain personally from making a determination as a man. Is it fair? *Shrugs. Is it fair women that want one have to wait to see if Roe v Wade is appealed. Is the OPs point not valid? What about in terms of healthcare, like if it was a must to save the mother? Just spitballing. I don’t have the answers to be sure.

Speaking of. There is a LOT of info that says in other societies, a woman that is raped and has to carry to term and raise the child faces mucho stigma, as does the child. All their lives. It is in fact detrimental the fabric of their close-knit societies.

[FlyersFan]

According to the mouth foaming logic of members such as FlyersFan, women who have abortions are child murderers and presumably should be serving life sentences? But they aren't. 

I wasn't going to bother with you but since you invoked my name ....

I'm not 'mouth foaming'.
And I"m VERY logical.
I did not say that people who commit abortion should be in jail.
Never once.
I said what they do is stop a human heart from beating.
And that's TRUE.
Doing that is called HOMICIDE.
And the fact that a mother does that to her own child is EVIL.
That's not 'mouth foaming'.    That's the truth.