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Conspiracy Realism. - Karl12 - 05-25-2024 If you have friends who 'believe' that conspiracy theories are just a silly nonsense and that governments (or rich cartels) don't conspire then there are some relevant videos below which deal with some real world examples. Amongst other things false flags, CIA drug running, Operation Seaspray, MKUltra mind control, Atrazine effects and directed war deception are covered in this one. Quote:• 5 Conspiracy “Theories” That Became Conspiracy Facts. Project Sunshine, Bayer HIV antics, heart attack guns and prohibition poisoning are also brought up in this one. Quote:Conspiracy Fun Facts. Cointelpro and actions like Gladio, Paperclip Northwoods, Tuskegee etc. are also covered in this one.. along with the curiously timed 2019 FBI document labelling conspiracy theorists a 'threat'. From 33:00 Also thought this article was a rather relevant one - number 3 dealing with the FBI is quite an eyeopener (as is number 8 dealing with Operation Ajax) and I was completely unaware that Turkey bombed its own consulate in 1955. • 10 Inside Jobs That Governments Blamed On Enemies Quote:In a false flag operation, the government or another group stages an event to look like it was carried out by someone besides the real perpetrators. The deceivers use this tactic to discredit another group and start wars, enact severe laws, overthrow political opponents, gain alliances, or otherwise get an advantage. RE: Conspiracy Realism. - guyfriday - 05-25-2024 A False Flag you forgot: The Business Plot. FDR used this to both remove the possible Presidential run of Butler as well as gain support for his socialist agenda. But for fun you should look at the legacy of LBJ, and just start with David Sencer - Wikipedia. Lots to unpack there as well as the culture of the CDC created by him. RE: Conspiracy Realism. - Karl12 - 05-25-2024 Does seem these days TPTB aren't too impressed with people thinking for themselves but suppose when it comes to 'alternative' opinions on 'official' narratives then full freedom of enquiry is a pretty important factor when living in a healthy, functioning society. Actually can't seem to find anyone who believes we are living in a healthy, functioning society but nevermind. • Pic Lots of other avenues to explore when it comes to conspiracy realism (including Hegelian dialectics and modern day Mockingbird) but despite the objective reality of it all there does appear to be an ongoing and concerted campaign by mainstream toadies to suppress and vilify the subject. As well as the FBI document mentioned above there's also this recent 'study' which proclaimed that CT's make people 'criminal' - will also never forget British politician David Cameron's very silly comments about non violent conspiracy theorists being 'just as dangerous as 'ISIS'. Anyway, there's a good free E-book here about 'conspiracy theory' and although the term was first used in the 1880's there's an informative vid below about the weaponization of it. Quote:The Central Intelligence Agency released the following memo in April 1967 categorized as “PSYCH” which essentially weaponized the use of the label “conspiracy theorist” and laid out a number of dirty tactics using “elite friendly contacts” including politicians and media figures to discredit and shut down any claims and ultimately demonize anyone who attempted to challenge the government’s official version of events. It may not matter much anyway as thanks to 2012 alterations to the Smith-Mundt Act it's now perfectly legal for the U.S. Government to domestically disseminate propaganda to the public - also turns out a 2009 Florida Court ruling also made it perfectly legal for corporate news channels to lie to the public. Think a lot of people are starting to wake up and smell the coffee and would be interested in any thoughts or opinions relevant to the content. RE: Conspiracy Realism. - Maxmars - 05-25-2024 Apologies if this immensely relevant topic inspires a question which on its surface might seem "thread-driftish." Why do we call certain projects "conspiracy?" The fact that among in all these examples we are finding paper-trails, and explicit documentation, shows that 'record-keeping' was being done. Are we not potentially facing some horrible 'projects' 'initiatives' and "science experiments" which don't have accessible records, or maybe no records at all? I get that all we could possibly find is "allegation" and "hearsay" which wouldn't necessarily exclude it from reality. RE: Conspiracy Realism. - Karl12 - 05-25-2024 (05-25-2024, 03:32 PM)guyfriday Wrote: FDR used this to both remove the possible Presidential run of Butler as well as gain support for his socialist agenda. No never heard of that one mate so thanks for the heads up. It's been mirrored from another blog but there are also 56 very interesting points listed at the link below - also some relevant audio and quotes. Quote:In the following instances, officials in the government which carried out the attack (or seriously proposed an attack) admit to it, either orally, in writing, or through photographs or videos.. RE: Conspiracy Realism. - Karl12 - 05-26-2024 (05-25-2024, 04:43 PM)Maxmars Wrote: Apologies if this immensely relevant topic inspires a question which on its surface might seem "thread-driftish." No worries mate, thanks for the input and suppose that used to be called objective journalism (before it went extinct). Here's an older clip with Washington Investigative Producer James Bamford on ABC's World News Tonight discussing the reality of NorthWoods. Quote:Moreover, declassified U.S. Government documents show that in the 1960s, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan code-named Operation Northwoods to blow up American airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. (05-25-2024, 04:43 PM)Maxmars Wrote: Are we not potentially facing some horrible 'projects' 'initiatives' and "science experiments" which don't have accessible records, or maybe no records at all? I get that all we could possibly find is "allegation" and "hearsay" which wouldn't necessarily exclude it from reality. Well know most folks on these boards will already be aware of these antics but some may not. Posted it over on another thread but regarding 'science experiments and accessible records' then the CIA / Rockefeller funded MKUltra are a good example whereby 'virtually no aspect of potential control of human beings went untested'. Tens of thousands of people experimented on including military soldiers, civilians, inmates, hospital patients and children - all without consent. From 7:30 Video Link Certainly didn't help that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered the destruction of all the files but lots of government documentary evidence made it out and despite all the (extremely) disturbing experiments described many FOIA researchers suspect they were just the tip of the iceberg (7:00). RE: Conspiracy Realism. - Karl12 - 05-26-2024 Following on from this information in the main link: Quote:The FBI has repeatedly encouraged and sometimes paid Muslims to commit terrorist acts. Right before the would-be terrorists can carry out the assault, the FBI swoops in and claims to save the day. The FBI never informs the public that it concocted the plan. It simply takes credit for keeping the public safe. This effectively raises a false flag on the American people and keeps the citizens fearful of terror groups while erroneously reinforcing the notion that the FBI is capturing terrorists. There are some revealing transcripts below of tape recordings concerning foreknowledge of the World Trade Centre bombing on Feb 26th, 1993. See 4:00 Quote:Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast. RE: Conspiracy Realism. - Karl12 - 05-26-2024 More info below about 'military testing' on the unsuspecting citizens of St Louis - Monsanto (now Bayer) also implicated. Quote:Lawsuit Says St. Louis Citizens Sprayed With Radioactive Chemicals In Secret Military Experiment Other incidents: Quote:It wasn’t the only time the U.S. government did this. Free E-Book: • Leonard A. Cole's classic book 'Clouds Of Secrecy' dealing with documented germ warfare testing programmes on a completely unsuspecting public. Quote:Clouds of Secrecy: The Army's Germ Warfare Tests Over Populated Areas Excerpt: Quote:On June 6, 1966, a group of US Army scientists made their way into the Seventh and Eighth Avenue lines of the New York City subway. Some carried air sampling machines in boxes and on belts; others carried light bulbs. RE: Conspiracy Realism. - Karl12 - 05-26-2024 Keeping with Bayer/Monsanto thought there were some extremely interesting Venn diagrams here and turns out Monsanto were fully aware Glysophate was a Cat C carcinogen as far back as 1985. From 1:20 Also turns out Bayer were intentionally infecting people with HIV: Quote:This is just looks insane when we think about this today in 21st century that a big pharma company could ever intentionally transmit HIV for profit. If you are newer to research and pharmaceutical field, you may never of heard about it. RE: Conspiracy Realism. - VulcanWerks - 05-26-2024 History is littered with many “conspiracy theories” that turn out to be fact. I don’t think it really matters though. Either you’re someone who has studied history or hasn’t. Either you think critically or you don’t. Either you think government is THE solution, part of the solution or is the problem (all of which can be somewhat true depending on the topic). “Conspiracy theories” are just the study of “what’s really going on”. If someone wants to plant the flag that any thought or observation that runs contrary to the “official narrative” is somehow unsmart then they are welcome to that stance. They will have to come to their own conclusions over time - or not - to their own potential demise. If someone isn’t open minded enough to at least consider alternate trains of thought or perspective it’s just not worth your time to try and educate them. |