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Tik Tok - DBCowboy - 03-14-2024
The government and media is saying that China is using Tik Tok to steal our information.
Yet the same government uses Facebook, Instagram, X (Twitter), Discord, to steal our information.
I don't think Tik Tok should be banned.
If you want your info stolen, then it should be up to you.
RE: Tik Tok - Maxmars - 03-14-2024
(03-14-2024, 06:41 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: The government and media is saying that China is using Tik Tok to steal our information.
Yet the same government uses Facebook, Instagram, X (Twitter), Discord, to steal our information.
I don't think Tik Tok should be banned.
If you want your info stolen, then it should be up to you.
I suppose I am fixated on the weaponization of data when one country/ideology uses it against another. It's sort of bad enough that commerce makes it happen every second of every day, but when you use it to hurt other people just because you hate their government... well that's just begging for severe abuse to plow forward.
I get that "we" do it too. We know it has been done, social manipulation to the detriment of whoever you might call "bad guys" from whatever perspective. Books have been written about it.
It appears that the political show makes it about a particular country (in this case China... the last "Red Menace.") But the problem transcends physical borders and invades every virtual space.
Truthfully, it is not the application that threatens, in the way a hammer sitting on the floor isn't a threat. But it could be. And like in so many instances, we harangue and pester the potential user, and then the tool... but never the "act" itself... because we might use it someday.
The system didn't HAVE to be designed to siphon information... the information doesn't HAVE to be a weapon. But someone somewhere benefits when it is.
I'm not certain that banning 'TIK TOK' will really make the problem (or the fear) go away... nor will it end abusive and exploitative constructs embedded in the virtual world... but systems can be changed, and people will not always just walk around with blinders on...
And who knows, just in the same way China purges all dissent and negative news about themselves, we soon may also find ourselves under that very yoke... you know we are very nearly there already.
Then the politicians will hold up the bold-lettered flashcard reading "Who knew?" And revenue will be generated for their masters.
RE: Tik Tok - guyfriday - 03-14-2024
It's no different than all those pop up ads for games that are like candy-crush or find the crap on peoples phones. Tik-Tok steals information just like many other programs do, I think the difference with Tik-Tok is that companies like I-Soon use the data captured from phones loaded with these apps to harvest the data even when the service is not being used. It's like they are always on.
i say that if a government want to really harvest information on the public, then dump that juicy spy money into a real kick-ass MMO and not only gather rare data on people but can also grab psychological data and even threat profiles on users. The reveal of that can even be placed in the EUA of the game since only a few, in any, people read those. I don't get why these governmental bodies go the stoopid route by creating apps that are for posting soft-core illicit porn and stupid people doing stupid things. I swear, if China ever invades the US using the data collected from Tik-Tok it will be a real wake up call to the soldiers of the CCP.
RE: Tik Tok - FlyersFan - 03-15-2024
I don't have a cell phone.
So I don't use TikTok.
I only know what I've heard about it.
It has communist china ties.
The kids spend all day on it being indoctrinated.
Usually I'm for freedom as much as possible.
But this tiktok seems psy-ops to me.
Ban it.
RE: Tik Tok - Nikita - 03-15-2024
I dislike TikTok, FB and most of the others.
I really don't like this instant information thing.
I really dislike this AI stuff that is invading Google and Bing.
BUT!
Unless they reign in the other social media that competes for TikTok, leave it alone.
Banning TikTok alone makes it look like western propaganda is ok, all others need not apply.
RE: Tik Tok - DBCowboy - 03-15-2024
So much truth!
RE: Tik Tok - PhyloCFly - 03-16-2024
If time stood still and the sands on the beach did not shift with each tide there might be a reason to be concerned enough so that we could fix this. But this ain't the case. There's a storm a-brewing and the landscape is slipping by like we were driving down a turnpike at a hundred k per hour.
RE: Tik Tok - Blaine91555 - 03-16-2024
(03-14-2024, 06:41 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: The government and media is saying that China is using Tik Tok to steal our information.
Yet the same government uses Facebook, Instagram, X (Twitter), Discord, to steal our information.
I don't think Tik Tok should be banned.
If you want your info stolen, then it should be up to you.
I'd agree that this is a "buyer beware" situation. I do think the government's only part in this should be to update our laws to regulate what private information can be marketed or even stored. They let this get out of hand, so it's hard to blame businesses for profiting from our antiquated laws.
RE: Tik Tok - worldstarcountry - 03-16-2024
(03-16-2024, 06:46 PM)Blaine91555 Wrote: I'd agree that this is a "buyer beware" situation. I do think the government's only part in this should be to update our laws to regulate what private information can be marketed or even stored. They let this get out of hand, so it's hard to blame businesses for profiting from our antiquated laws.Tik Tok has made humanity go full retard, and frankly so has much of social media. I say split the internet and develop cameras that can sense general age differences in the eyes or something to keep minors off. Every internet connected device is a direct portal to all of humans depraved deviant behaviors and brutalities. And millions of parents just give these things to their children like it is a need so they can look into their own devices without being interrupted. Schools have all but made it mandatory to have internet to do their homework.
Kids are barely even physically writing anymore. Its all good though. We are at a crossroads and this issue will resolve itself in about 25 years. I suspect after a good chunk of the boomers on Earth have passed and the homosexual generation fails to adequetly procreate to replace them, traditional families will once again be the policy makers and this crazy world will straighten up and slow on down.
RE: Tik Tok - Maxmars - 03-16-2024
(03-16-2024, 07:11 PM)worldstarcountry Wrote: Tik Tok has made humanity go full retard, and frankly so has much of social media. I say split the internet and develop cameras that can sense general age differences in the eyes or something to keep minors off. Every internet connected device is a direct portal to all of humans depraved deviant behaviors and brutalities. And millions of parents just give these things to their children like it is a need so they can look into their own devices without being interrupted. Schools have all but made it mandatory to have internet to do their homework.
Kids are barely even physically writing anymore. Its all good though. We are at a crossroads and this issue will resolve itself in about 25 years. I suspect after a good chunk of the boomers on Earth have passed and the homosexual generation fails to adequetly procreate to replace them, traditional families will once again be the policy makers and this crazy world will straighten up and slow on down.
OK, ouch!
First off, I believe I understand the vitriol and angst. This is intensely infuriating, especially when the font of wisdom that is popular media destroys common sense in the story, while inflating the emotional impact. But that's another story.
Generational differences and our collective inability (or unwillingness) to address this fact, coupled with the development and deployment of new technologies complicates our ability to accept change. Our kids (and perhaps the two youngest generations) are always going to be different-minded. It's the way we move onwards from where we are. The things we call unacceptable, the things we see as insufferable may well in fact be real. But much of it won't be, maybe it's just too different from before for us to find comfort in it. Banning apps (that are ostensibly efficient in what they do) is attacking "the messenger." That's never a good initial strategy for dealing with the problem. There are solutions though. Some draconian and authoritative, others vaguely useful, temporary, and because of the nature of our 'market' prone to be costly, and thus damaging to the community.
This problem starts at home. You can't hide the ugliness of the world for your posterity... but you can put it into proper context. That will help our society more than anything any institution can offer. Even if it is only confessing to your children beforehand how disappointing you would find it, were they to become fodder for the meat vendors on the internet... something is better than nothing.
Our education system is effectively in the death throws. Only a handful of teachers in each school district embrace the principles of pedagogy. And many of them taught it to themselves, no such training is the focus of university anymore. It is a difficult time to love teaching. Especially when even the 'parent(s)' in the picture are suffering.
Your 25-year milestone is perhaps well-placed. But the rationale you attend to seems alien to me.
Yeah, advanced age is a bitch. It stings when you realize that as alien those folks were to you as a youth is just as you are to youth now. That's where all our potential is... in our youth. And somehow, people can't be convinced that precious little can possibly be more important than that. When we fail them, we fail completely.
The emergence into social freedom of homosexuals is but a tiny (nearly infinitesimal) blip on the population issue. Future procreation is a problem for sure... despite the years of indoctrination I witnessed about the "overpopulation problem" (Suck it, all you chicken littles!) Unless of course, if it is all a conspiracy... But that's another story.
Tradition is a dangerous thing for society. There's a time for it, but I think it wise to remember that there is also a time for everything but. Change comes with time, inevitably.
