Quote:You think you know TDS, but the witch community — it exists, and they outnumber CNN viewers — hate Donald Trump so much that they're attempting to cast spells on him in order to force him to lose the 2024 election, or maybe even possibly, a lot more than that. 
 
But they seem to be having trouble. 
 
In the subreddit "r/WitchesVsPatriarchy," user "feelmycocobeats" claims that witches have been mentioning that doing spells "directly against tRump are not as effective as we might hope as he seems to have some kind of protection around him." 
 
The user then begins to strategize about spell casting, saying a "freezer spell against Project 2025 would likely be useful," but even if what she was suggesting was actually based in reality, it wouldn't matter because Project 2025 isn't Trump's, it's the Heritage Foundation's plan. Trump's plan is Agenda 47

(10-24-2024, 06:27 AM)Maxmars Wrote: It's difficult for me to understand fully how (and why) witchcraft operates socially, in regards to political activism.

I can only answer for myself.  There are many different "types".  There are those who choose a community.  A coven if you will.  Honestly, its like a church, which they also have.  So yes, they would be mostly like-minded people.
I have to ask if witchcraft is a matter of 'faith.' Or is it somehow more like a "guild" or an "order?"  Are all witches doing this?  Or just "some?"
For me, its faith, again, your going to have as many kinds, as there are "other religions.    No, not all witches are doing this, in fact there are plenty that support Trump.

If so, what tenets are true to witchcraft generally... as a common bond between them all.  Is it a 'community' in the sense that stands for or against any particular person or thing? 
As there are basic "rules" that all are supposed to follow, Like "do no harm" and the rule of three (That which you send out to the universe will come back to you threefold).   These "witches" seem to have forgot those basics.

Since it is commonly regarded as a function of feminine solidarity, is it then a question of 'women' (and female empowerment) or is it a question of an underlying code of conduct and focus?  Is it then, restricted to those who embrace something that "Trump" appears to threaten? 
There are a surprising number of men that embrace both Witchcraft and Wicca.  I'm guessing most of these people are more the new agey Wicca, which I have found to be way more "loose" with the rules.  They tend to be liberals, so yes, Trump would be a threat.

Would any witch supporting "Trump" have to remain "in the closet" so to speak?
Not me.  LOL Very open in my support of him.

"Spells" and "influences" central to the practice are then regarded as 'tools' to effect the world... or perhaps just against or for individual targeted people?
To those that follow Witchcraft, or Wise women, like I do, spells are not central to practice.  I use them on the holidays.  mostly like others pray on their holidays.  Sometimes a friend needs a bit of "luck" or something, but otherwise no.  Because "free will" is also a rule.  I certainly wouldn't send bad juju to Harris.  I don't want bad juju.


And still, is it possible that being a witch means that the practitioner has to support or oppose a particular political celebrity... and reason or argument is powerless to affect the intentions and practices they engage in? 
No, it shouldn't be, but I would imagine some covens "strongly suggest" communal support.   It would depend on how reasonable the coven leader is.
I mean, are there no witches that actually support "Trump?"  Are there 'camps' or 'covens' which are specifically mandated to pick a particular side, is it a competition between them?  Or are they universally "obliged" to operate against one side, or in support of another (as with some organized religions?)
Waves hello.  Me, Me!   Having been in a coven, for a short time, while they do communicate with others in some cases, most covens make their own decisions for their own group.  Again, it really is a lot like a church for some of them, only more... I don't know, less "strict rules"  There is no hell, so your not going to it for sinning.  

I'm not judging people's choices...  only questioning if it is a matter of "choice," or is it a 'position' one must accept to qualify as a "proper witch", or to 'belong and be accepted'? 
Last I knew, the solitary witches outnumbered the covens by a LOT.   But again, a coven leader can "influence" its members.  They don't have to agree though, so they would not have to do the ceremony for the "spell."  Although there are covens that will kick you out for that.  You shouldn't be with them anyway.

I always thought that rituals and casting could be a strictly 'mechanical' practice... but I don't know.  
Just like church and prayer, you will have people half assing it.  LOL  Not sure about "mechanical" for others.  I make some stuff up as I go, because it feels right.   

I do know that phrases like "... against project 2025" appear to imply political choices... where witchcraft, as I understood it, requires a person to address as subject, not a 'conceptual document' like the Heritage Foundation's infamous publication... and also, once a publication is presented and disseminated, I might not expect witchcraft to find a useful "individual" target... as opposed to a concept or idea they would collectively choose to oppose (or support for that matter.)
Not sure I understand this statement.  But for me, if I were inclined to cast a spell against project 2025, I could come up with some type of wording for the universe to understand me.   Seems like a waste of time, but others may not feel that way

The long and short of my ignorance is in not fully understanding if witches are the "body" of a "faith" who have a collectively accepted 'position' on incidental politics.
It's more like those that belong to a church (coven) and those that pray at home. (solitary)  So basically, we don't have a "Pope" telling us how we all need to think, since many covens keep to themselves.
I guess I may be all screwed up in my (admittedly limited) understanding of this topic... I am looking to be educated... and I'm open to learning more.
Understandable really, because there are so many differences in "witches" and covens.  Just like the many different faiths.  Personally, I found I couldn't "play well" with others, so I chose the solitary path. Although I have a couple friends that I get together with on the solstices and such, but one is Native American, and another other is a Naturalist.  I learn so much from them and  use what I've learned.  For me, it is all about nature, spirit and helping others.  Not sure I would be considered a "witch" by the Wiccan crowd, but the term seems to freak some people out, so I'm ok with it.  LOL
Hope this helped a little?

(10-24-2024, 08:28 AM)Chiefsmom Wrote:  

(10-24-2024, 09:46 AM)Maxmars Wrote: Thank you so much.  I feel like I have a better grasp now.

(I apologize for asking essentially the same question over and over in different ways... it's a learning difficulty, it telegraphs that "I don't know how to ask.")

But I get it... spot me...

The witches this story alludes to, are otherwise normal people... they don't like Trump (as many normal people don't.)  The literally pray that he will not win.  They offer their intentions and even rituals and spells, to effect that end.... in other words, they are doing no different than those who pray Harris won't win (perhaps without the formal ritual.)  In fact... nothing here to see!

Perhaps it goes without saying, the subject characterization, "witch" is, even to this day, a 'currency' word... with all that might imply.

Of course, the whole "blocking" and "impotence" angle, raises many questions not really germane to this topic... (But you just know I have them. )

I wonder why these witches weren't praying instead, to help Harris?  Why bother going 'offensive' when 'defensive' is no less effective?

"People are weird." - some kid I knew.

(10-24-2024, 10:43 AM)midicon Wrote: Oh, witchy witchy witchy woo,
Tell me, is it really true.
That wing of bat and eye of newt,
Can render dear old Donald mute?

And do you wear those pointy hats?
And have those old familiar cats?
And do you think those masons laugh
As they lead you up the Gardner path?

Got to love those witches!

Quote: I have no doubt that witches spells have some oooomph behind them so it has to be that something/someone is protecting him.