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Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack - putnam6 - 10-08-2024
Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack. I want to know if this was a sting operation or something they were informed about, and what was the motive for the Afghan National. As well as when was he let in
Dangerous times we live in.
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#FBI Director Christopher Wray’s statement on the arrest by @FBIOklahomaCity of Afghanistan national Nasir Ahmad Tawhedi who is accused of allegedly plotting an election day terrorist attack in the name of ISIS.
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RE: Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack - UltraBudgie - 10-08-2024
Quote:According to the criminal complaint, as part of the investigation into Tawhedi, the FBI searched Tawhedi’s phone and obtained communications between Tawhedi and a person who facilitated recruitment, training, and indoctrination of persons who expressed interest in terrorist activity and who Tawhedi understood to be affiliated with ISIS.
Note the phrasing "Tawhedi understood to be affiliated...".
Odds that this person was in fact FBI? If not, sounds like they're the real terrorist instigator.
Regardless, it sounds like the FBI is on the job here.
RE: Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack - putnam6 - 10-08-2024
(10-08-2024, 07:04 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Note the phrasing "Tawhedi understood to be affiliated...".
Odds that this person was in fact FBI? If not, sounds like they're the real terrorist instigator.
Regardless, it sounds like the FBI is on the job here.
Maybe but it sounds like it depends on who tells the story.
So it was a sting operation according to the Oklahoman, nothing wrong with that per se but it is a lot different than discovering a plot independently. Not to mention if there is one there are others... but I do wonder why you scooted over then when where and how they arrived in the US? Don't you think that is semi-pertinent?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/afghan-national-in-okc-charged-in-isis-related-election-day-terrorist-plot/ar-AA1rVbln
Quote:An Afghan national living in Oklahoma City was charged Tuesday with conspiring to conduct a terrorist attack on Election Day in the United States on behalf of ISIS.
Nasir Ahmad Tawhedi, 27, was charged in Oklahoma City federal court.
He and his brother-in-law were arrested Monday after they purchased two AK-47 rifles and ammunition from an undercover FBI employee in a rural location in Oklahoma, the FBI reported in a court affidavit.
Tawhedi admitted after his arrest that he and his brother-in-law bought the guns to commit an attack on Election Day "targeting large gatherings of people," according to the affidavit. He said he and his brother-in law expected to die in the attack and be martyrs.
"Terrorism is still the FBI's number one priority, and we will use every resource to protect the American people," he said.
The brother-in-law was not named because the FBI reported he is a juvenile.
RE: Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack - UltraBudgie - 10-08-2024
Oh certainly but beyond this specific case is the question as to whether this incident is actually part of a larger active plot and the FBI has only seen this one small part of, or whether the whole thing is one of those things where the potentially violent person they snag is the only one there who's not FBI. Wray's statement "motivate by ISIS" makes it seem like there's a larger active plot but then the facts we're given don't back that up. Especially important with something that could be seen as an attempt to gin up fear and discourage in-person voting. They need to be careful in their messaging.
RE: Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack - putnam6 - 10-08-2024
(10-08-2024, 07:41 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Oh certainly but beyond this specific case is the question as to whether this incident is actually part of a larger active plot and the FBI has only seen this one small part of, or whether the whole thing is one of those things where the potentially violent person they snag is the only one there who's not FBI. Wray's statement "motivate by ISIS" makes it seem like there's a larger active plot but then the facts we're given don't back that up. Especially important with something that could be seen as an attempt to gin up fear and discourage in-person voting. They need to be careful in their messaging.
It's an excellent point, I believe the threat is legit FWIW, as well as see your point about it possibly affecting voting in person totals.
Still, Oklahoma voting isn't going to change anything nationally except under the hyper-fearful or paranoid, out of which party's voters are likely to be frightened off by the threat of violence?
Part of me thinks it would affect Democrat turnout more than Republican unless there would be wise spread calls for mail-in voting
who knows but I semi agree with this poster on X
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Something is going on.
-CBS ambushed Kamala and started doing journalism.
-Biden contradicted Kamala and said DeSantis is doing a good job.
-CNN criticized Kamala for co-signing Biden’s failed administration.
-Markets shifted heavily to Trump
Seems too good to be true.
RE: Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack - Maxmars - 10-09-2024
I'm a bit ashamed of myself.
I immediate went to the idea that this is another FBI publicity stunt.
After all, the FBI is a 'political' agency, there's no denying that... "federal" police force... "appointed" leadership, what else could they be? And "election interference" is something they would never have anything to do with, right? What possible excuse could they have to enforce electoral oversight, right? Suddenly, the political police will be there... watching...
Not a good sign, by any measure.
I've heard it so many times before, there are a number of flavors of it...
either:
'Entice' the predilection of someone to hate America, nurture the ideation, encourage the emotions, 'develop' the target individual. Move the subject to the 'active community' and then start targeting their information sources to provide motivations and outrage. Provide a 'neutered' means to attack, then "catch" them in that act. Bang ... "You see folks, we are heroes."
Or:
Insert operative directly into the midst of disaffected group... and wait until they compromise themselves. Bang ... "You see folks, we are heroes."
But I have to admit directly that it is a presumption. That such a thing could only be true if we had FBI leadership in place that care more about "the party/club" than they do the people they serve... that could never happen. right?
It only "looks" that way.
Ok... shame dissipated.
RE: Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack - UltraBudgie - 10-09-2024
Me too! Welll, somewhat -- they've always been a little, um, "proactive". There's many cases you can point to where a good argument could be made that the FBI just set someone up for a fall and actually created the problem they're tasked with defending against.
While this case may be that, it's not so cut and dry. I've read the complaint now. Tawhedi certainly seems like a would-be terrorist. From what I gleaned, though, there's no evidence he was any kind of "sleeper" or had any specific plans before he came to the agency's attention. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems like he raised red flags when he contributed to some overseas group that as part of their operations, gave funds to nastyfolk. Some purported "charity". I don't see any indication that he directly or even knowingly funded nastystuff, there. Then, a few months later there's contact on Telegram between him and 'Malik', who seems to be someone the FBI busted who is now cooperative with the agency. How much 'Malik' led him down the primrose path and who initially contacted who is left vague.
Tawhedi definately seems to have had an anti-American grudge. Lots of stuff that isn't actually a crime to have, but... well... I'm sort of glad the agency was alert to. I do think they went over the line here:
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I mean, that's stretching it, right? And it in fact makes me wonder how far they're stretching the rest of their narrative, too.
But all that aside and acknowledging that they've got a seemingly valid case here, I do think that these things act on multiple levels, and that, valid or not, this situation may be being used politically in invalid ways, which unfortunately the agency has a history of. Wray's comments that he's "ISIS inspired" and "conspiring" seem to point at definite existence of a larger plot, even if that's not what he technically said, and while it may be unintentional those are just the kind of fear-mongering games we've become sensitive to, and it's not out of bounds to be suspicious and call them on that.
RE: Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack - Maxmars - 10-09-2024
My main problem with that is that I have little confidence in the fidelity of "shared" documentation by the authority in question.
I have - when speaking to people - often held one finger up, never once meaning it be be some kind of cryptic signal. It hardly makes a person dangerous. But it is essential to "making a case" appear solid.
What I would be more convinced by is physical evidence that confirms intent.
"Allegations" are cheap, and very easy to use. Even 'confession' is a form of allegation.
It's why we have juries and judges, not prosecutors or law enforcement, to definitively affirm guilt, and the "to what" is a matter of some trust... trust, which is never abused, right? They implicitly promise.
RE: Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack - putnam6 - 10-09-2024
(10-09-2024, 12:54 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Me too! Welll, somewhat -- they've always been a little, um, "proactive". There's many cases you can point to where a good argument could be made that the FBI just set someone up for a fall and actually created the problem they're tasked with defending against.
While this case may be that, it's not so cut and dry. I've read the complaint now. Tawhedi certainly seems like a would-be terrorist. From what I gleaned, though, there's no evidence he was any kind of "sleeper" or had any specific plans before he came to the agency's attention. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems like he raised red flags when he contributed to some overseas group that as part of their operations, gave funds to nastyfolk. Some purported "charity". I don't see any indication that he directly or even knowingly funded nastystuff, there. Then, a few months later there's contact on Telegram between him and 'Malik', who seems to be someone the FBI busted who is now cooperative with the agency. How much 'Malik' led him down the primrose path and who initially contacted who is left vague.
Tawhedi definately seems to have had an anti-American grudge. Lots of stuff that isn't actually a crime to have, but... well... I'm sort of glad the agency was alert to. I do think they went over the line here:
I mean, that's stretching it, right? And it in fact makes me wonder how far they're stretching the rest of their narrative, too.
But all that aside and acknowledging that they've got a seemingly valid case here, I do think that these things act on multiple levels, and that, valid or not, this situation may be being used politically in invalid ways, which unfortunately the agency has a history of. Wray's comments that he's "ISIS inspired" and "conspiring" seem to point at definite existence of a larger plot, even if that's not what he technically said, and while it may be unintentional those are just the kind of fear-mongering games we've become sensitive to, and it's not out of bounds to be suspicious and call them on that.
Well, it gets back to why are TPTB letting a person with an anti-American grudge in the country in the first place. If we are going to continue to let millions in we need a vetting process so our FBI isn't overwhelmed by international threats when they seem already overwhelmed by domestic ones.
RE: Afghan National Arrested for Plotting an Election Day Terrorist Attack - putnam6 - 10-10-2024
Hmmm, so he was a security guard with the CIA in Afghanistan, sounds like we have interdepartmental fighting. Wouldn't be the first time
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JUST IN - An Afghan man arrested on charges of planning a terrorist attack on Election Day worked as a security guard in Afghanistan for the CIA, two sources with knowledge of the matter told NBC News.
