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Classical Vs Contemporary - CCoburn - 10-06-2024
(10-04-2024, 09:24 PM)Maxmars Wrote: I am impressed that so many ancient philosophical texts describe or allude to principles which mirror the cutting edge thinking about physical reality.
Yes, that's a good observation, and one that certainly comes to mind on occasion. I don't know what MSS/texts you are referring, but it's most definitely a true statement.
Here are just a couple (major) examples that are often aroused to the forefront of my mind lately:
1a. Hermes Trismegistus (Hermetics). This is mostly just derived of some reading material that has accompanied me at various points along my way. I will say that it has stood the test of time (unlike M-theory) and the ideas are usually rekindled whenever someone speaks of consciousness in conjunction with the universe e.g. all is mind (the 1st principle).
1b. The seven Hermetic principles:
1. The principle of mentalism (all is mind).
2. The principle of correspondence (as above so below; as within so without).
3. The principle of vibration (everything moves; everything vibrates).
4. The principle of polarity (everything is dual).
5. The principle of rhythm (everything comes and everything goes, everything ebbs and everything flows).
6. The principle of cause and effect (post ergo propter hoc – in most cases).
7. The principle of gender (found everywhere; even inanimate objects are constructed of atoms that contain negatively charged electrons and positively charged protons).
How much of the above would strike one as contemporary is debatable, but at least some of it if not most of it.
2. The ancient Hebrew/Hermetic MSS/texts/images that allude to a pre-spatial primordial origin; analogous philosophical quotes of antiquity such as God is a virtually infinite sphere whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere. The "center is everywhere" segment would not be implying any kind of spatial "everywhere", but instead would be reiterating a "pre-spatial" state where it would be the only thing in existence, period, so given that particular scenario it would technically be "everywhere" since there exists no relative spatial location prior the beginning of any spatial dimensions, and from this non-spatial context one might even entertain the idea of this 'thing' being comprised of infinities "within" e.g. the omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient qualities et cetera.
RE: Classical Vs Contemporary - UltraBudgie - 10-06-2024
Also Patenjali's "Yoga Sutras" are essentially a textbook describing conscious participation in observer-mediated quantum waveform collapse.
Sweet thread.
RE: Classical Vs Contemporary - Maxmars - 10-06-2024
I often think on the possibility that we (as in 'humans') have inherited a sense of the 'parameters' of the infinite.
Hermetic philosophies have frequently been presented as 'secrets.' Maybe because cultural biases and pressures forced those studying them to isolate themselves and their studies (to become "hermetic.")
Now some people used that moniker to foster an air of "mystery" over the topics, but effectively they may have been so far ahead of the "mainstream" as to render their ideas into an air of "so exotic as to be nonsense."
I remember Tesla, in particular, trying to assert - and remaining virtually unheard - that the factual "key" to accessing the infinite energy permeating everywhere was "vibrations and harmony." I can't help but find the direction of modern science following his footsteps... all while still 'labeling' Tesla as "not entirely all there." He demonstrated so many principles that have been fed upon by so many... but when he said "the people of the entire planet will have all the power they could ever possibly need, virtually for free" he was rendered anathema in his own society. Yet today, if all of his discoveries were magically eliminated, billions of our world might be dead.
Most of the principle I was alluding to were the ilk of the Vedas, bodies of work of Hermeticism, and even others less well known... (and there are so many that I don't know about... I'm far removed from the notional title "expert.")
From early on it has been somehow reported in what we call "antiquity" that the nature of our reality is not simple material interaction... that understanding came from somewhere... it was not now, nor has it ever been "discovered;" because we've been talking about this for ages. "Science" historians have sidelined too many concepts and ideas over what they could reproduce locally, and it is costing us time...
The continuous cross connection between all things that exist is another 'migration' science thinkers have exhibited... while maintaining it's their own genius that's responsible for the 'discovery.'
But for some reason scientist seem to be hesitant to tackle "chirality"... we'll soon see if the ancient thinkers had indeed already 'gone there' - not that the science community will ever acknowledge that.
Hmm.. why am I sounding so cynical? I'm not really... perhaps it's a writing "mood."
Thanks so much for opening up this topic!
RE: Classical Vs Contemporary - UltraBudgie - 10-07-2024
(10-06-2024, 08:25 PM)Maxmars Wrote: I often think on the possibility that we (as in 'humans') have inherited a sense of the 'parameters' of the infinite.Haha yes sealed away like a hermit in his cave -- hermetic! I remember going oooh when I realized that it was referring to Hermes Trismegistus the guy who wrote that tablet about emeralds the "triple threat" which is what trismegistus means because he understood magic, grammer, and marketing. Hes also a mason hero because he used tablets instead of scrolls. I think he was syncretic but whether he was from crete or egypt he certainly had a big influence on ancient philosophy! Nowadays hermetic means sort of sealed up in a jar yes, but also for secrets that keep themselves, like governemtn funding.
Hermetic philosophies have frequently been presented as 'secrets.' Maybe because cultural biases and pressures forced those studying them to isolate themselves and their studies (to become "hermetic.")
Now some people used that moniker to foster an air of "mystery" over the topics, but effectively they may have been so far ahead of the "mainstream" as to render their ideas into an air of "so exotic as to be nonsense."
Quote:I remember Tesla, in particular, trying to assert - and remaining virtually unheard - that the factual "key" to accessing the infinite energy permeating everywhere was "vibrations and harmony." I can't help but find the direction of modern science following his footsteps... all while still 'labeling' Tesla as "not entirely all there." He demonstrated so many principles that have been fed upon by so many... but when he said "the people of the entire planet will have all the power they could ever possibly need, virtually for free" he was rendered anathema in his own society. Yet today, if all of his discoveries were magically eliminated, billions of our world might be dead.Tesla was certainly an odd bird I think it was the pidgeon thing. Modern science knows pidgeons are for plucking, and grants. He did understand vibration and harmony deeply and with intuition, I think he wasn't burdened by so many established models and instead just looked at how things were in the world and his head inside and out, like htri said. Probably inspired by newton in that way who was totally hermetic in the sense that you don't get laid and actually did as much alchemy as apple tossing! I do think the 3-6-9 stuff from tesla was a little out there maybe they were his lottery numbers and he was bitter when they never came up.
Quote:Most of the principle I was alluding to were the ilk of the Vedas, bodies of work of Hermeticism, and even others less well known... (and there are so many that I don't know about... I'm far removed from the notional title "expert.")The vedas are great easpecially if you need lots of books to keep paper flat and they're full of wisdom. They were way ahead of their time in wordcount and the modern technique of making lists of things and using huge numbers until your opponents eyes glaze over. Their early descriptions of the Sayta Yuga ("age of wisdom") were also an early inspiration for the maga movement.
Quote:From early on it has been somehow reported in what we call "antiquity" that the nature of our reality is not simple material interaction... that understanding came from somewhere... it was not now, nor has it ever been "discovered;" because we've been talking about this for ages. "Science" historians have sidelined too many concepts and ideas over what they could reproduce locally, and it is costing us time...There's nothing new under the sun, as someone once said, although I think they might have plagerized that quote. The whole idea of the novus ordo secularum was basically to take all this ancient knowledge and rewrite it in a framework where they could use lots of elegant little diagrams with numbers and arrows, instead of pictures of people with beards and winged sandals, to explain everything. Although some of the cooler physicists do still wear sandals, I must admit, but they don't date fawning art students near as much as those guys in ancient times.
Quote:The continuous cross connection between all things that exist is another 'migration' science thinkers have exhibited... while maintaining it's their own genius that's responsible for the 'discovery.'That would require looking in a mirror, and you don't get near as much youtube time if you're all hung up on doing that yourself. Reflection is for followers; on twitter doubly so.
But for some reason scientist seem to be hesitant to tackle "chirality"... we'll soon see if the ancient thinkers had indeed already 'gone there' - not that the science community will ever acknowledge that.
Quote:Thanks so much for opening up this topic!
