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Resurrectionist MD Says Death Is Only A Social Construct - Lynyrd Skynyrd - 08-29-2024
According to Sam Parnia, associate professor of medicine at New York University’s Langone Medical Center, “what we believe about death is fundamentally wrong”. It is not the end, he says, but a “reversible state”.
“If we remove that social label that makes us think everything stops, and look at it objectively, it’s basically an injury process” – one that, he believes, can be treated. "
Brains remain “salvageable for not only hours, but possibly days of time”. In one case, brain cells were found to retain full function 48 hours after being removed from a person’s body – in spite of simply ice being used to preserve the organ melting.
His team are the only ones in the world to be giving patients cocktails of drugs similar to those proven to successfully preserve pig organs following CPR, which have “significantly improved survival”.
He points to the case of a British woman who developed hypothermia while hiking in Spain in 2019, whose heart stopped for six hours while rescue teams tried to locate her. “That’s way past what we consider dead for humans,” Parnia says. Yet after being flown to a specialist centre with an extracorporeal membrane oxygenation machine (ECMO, which takes on the function of the heart and lungs when the body is unable to do so), she was revived.
Parnia doesn’t believe everyone who dies needs to be brought back – someone with multiple organ failure is obviously an unsuitable candidate for life-extension. But of the many “heartbreaking” cases of people who die while in otherwise good health (Parnia cites a young mother stabbed to death in a Sydney mall attack earlier this year, or those killed in war), we are giving up too soon. “You just need someone to go to the operating room, find where the laceration was, stitch it together, and put blood back into your body again,” he says. Those who die while “otherwise young, who are otherwise healthy – those people are all potentially salvageable”.
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RE: Resurrectionist MD Says Death Is Only A Social Construct - Tecate - 08-29-2024
I like the premise of his idea, but I also have concerns regarding ethicalities and practicalities of its implementation.
I’m not naysaying it at all but as a practicing Advanced Care/Critical Care Paramedic it is intriguing in many cases.
I have to hit and run on this but will definitely come back to it when I have more time.
Lunch break during prep for painting a bedroom and I’m pressed for time.
Tecate
RE: Resurrectionist MD Says Death Is Only A Social Construct - Lynyrd Skynyrd - 08-29-2024
(08-29-2024, 12:18 PM)Tecate Wrote: I like the premise of his idea, but I also have concerns regarding ethicalities and practicalities of its implementation.
I’m not naysaying it at all but as a practicing Advanced Care/Critical Care Paramedic it is intriguing in many cases.
I have to hit and run on this but will definitely come back to it when I have more time.
Lunch break during prep for painting a bedroom and I’m pressed for time.
Tecate
It reads like science fiction, doesn't it. A newly "dead" person will be put into stasis, and transported to a resurrection center.
RE: Resurrectionist MD Says Death Is Only A Social Construct - guyfriday - 08-29-2024
It's the Caterpillar Theory. When an egg gives birth to a caterpillar it's in it's larva form, as it ages it grows into a full sized caterpillar, then it climbs into a cocoon and ??? A Butterfly emerges (or a friggen moth). SO what happened to the caterpillar, did it die? It did basically ceases to exists didn't it. Humans are most likely the same way. We're born, live and age, then die. Death is just the cocoon coming off us.
That's the theory anyways.
RE: Resurrectionist MD Says Death Is Only A Social Construct - Maxmars - 08-29-2024
This researcher is a stereotypical product of the medical system.
Because the threshold of biological viability is not fixed, thus in the mind of the researcher "death" is not fixed.
Materialism in science often forces the flattening of reality into exclusively 'what we can measure' as if "if we can't measure it, it is not real."
Clearly the scientific idea that biologic functioning is solely how life is manifested - means without biologic functioning 'life' is lost. Yet there is not one iota of evidence that our understanding of "life" is in anyway "complete."
If we can successfully restore life functions to a person who once would have been presumed beyond life, I haven't seen it. I don't reject it, I just won't accept that it is an earth-shattering change of paradigm... because as I have said before, the greatest reality of human life so far, is that we don't know everything, not even how woefully ignorant we are.
RE: Resurrectionist MD Says Death Is Only A Social Construct - Blaine91555 - 08-29-2024
Quote:Parnia, who has an eponymous research lab at NYU Langone, says brains remain “salvageable for not only hours, but possibly days of time”. In one case, brain cells were found to retain full function 48 hours after being removed from a person’s body – in spite of the ice being used to preserve the organ melting due to a delayed DHL delivery. “So that’s a whole game-changer.”
I've always thought that once the oxygen to the brain stops, the cells begin to decay. If not, the whole game is changed.
That makes people who have themselves frozen to be revived when a cure for their problem is found, not so nutty.
RE: Resurrectionist MD Says Death Is Only A Social Construct - Tecate - 08-29-2024
Ok, I’m going to just jump in a bit here.
Once cells (of any type) stop receiving nutrients they require (oxygen, glucose etc) they become hypoxic and accumulate waste products within them. Necrosis (cell and tissue death) begins. They can no longer function. This is not like infection which causes cells to expand and die due to various factors (disease, temperature, acidity etc) but simply being cut off from all nutrients required.
If his premise is true, wha about bodies of people who die on Everest?
I would have liked the opportunity for some of my patients through the years to have had a “second chance” if you will, but unless you’re keeping them alive artificially with ECMO etc you really can’t expect miracles.
Now, this essentially could only happen in what’s termed a 15 minute city type atmosphere, and who would decide what constitutes a candidate for this? How do you rule a human being in or out of candidacy?
Practicalities and ethics would become paramount here.
I also believe that when your number is up, adios…
My 2 pesos
Tecate
