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"Shroud of Turin" research now points to Jerusalem and the time of Christ - Maxmars - 08-22-2024
A recent study of Shroud has reportedly found evidence that the object has elements of clay and limestone which are particular to the Jerusalem region. Also, miniscule blood samples are said to be signs of physical wounds...
I wanted to do more research on the shroud and this new study...,
From Fox: Researchers make new finding on Turin Shroud that many believe was Christ's burial cloth: 'Mysteries of God'
I went to this article, but was thwarted by the old "sign up" or you can't read it... (like you have to have my name to sell or I can't be told 'the news.')
I went to Google and found links to articles from 1986 to 2002... no help...
I broke down ad asked Brave's search "AI" which apparently can access more than a mere human and found these offered as facts....
Recent research has shed new light on the age and authenticity of the Turin Shroud, a linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have suffered physical trauma consistent with crucifixion. The findings suggest that the Shroud may date back to the 1st century AD, around the time of Jesus Christ.
Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering Analysis
Italian researchers from the Institute of Crystallography used a new method called Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering (WAXS) to analyze a small sample of the Shroud’s linen. Their results showed a compatibility with another linen sample dated to A.D. 55-74, suggesting that the Shroud could indeed be 2,000 years old. The researchers noted that their findings would only be valid if the Shroud had been kept under specific conditions (temperatures between 20-22.5°C and relative humidity of 55-75%) for much of its history.
X-ray Analysis of Linen Threads
Another study used X-rays to inspect linen threads from the Shroud, tracing its origin all the way back to the time of Jesus. This analysis contradicts earlier findings dating the Shroud to the Middle Ages.
Blood Analysis
A new analysis of blood samples from the Shroud, conducted by an engineer from the University of Padua, found tiny blood particles showing signs of organ failure, trauma, disease, and radiation. The presence of earth materials typically found in Jerusalem, such as clay and limestone, suggests that the Shroud may have originated in the region.
Conclusion
While the findings are intriguing, they are not without controversy. Some experts have questioned the methodology and conclusions of these studies, citing the possibility of contamination or alternative explanations for the blood and linen samples. Further research and verification are needed to confirm the accuracy of these new findings. Nonetheless, these studies have reignited the debate over the Shroud’s authenticity and potential connection to Jesus Christ.
and another;
What is the significance of the presence of jerusalem earth materials in the blood samples?
Based on the provided search results, the presence of Jerusalem earth materials such as clay and limestone in the blood samples from the Shroud of Turin suggests a possible origin of the Shroud in the region of Jerusalem. This finding is significant because it aligns with biblical accounts and historical records that associate the Field of Blood (Akeldama) with Jerusalem.
According to the Acts of the Apostles (Acts 1:18-19), Judas Iscariot, one of Jesus’ twelve apostles, purchased a field with the reward money he received for betraying Jesus and died there, his body bursting open and spilling his entrails. The field was subsequently known as the Field of Blood (Hakeldama).
The presence of Jerusalem earth materials in the blood samples may indicate that the bloodstains on the Shroud originated from this location, potentially linking the Shroud to the events surrounding Judas’ death and the Field of Blood. This finding could support the theory that the Shroud is authentic and dates back to the 1st century AD, around the time of Jesus Christ.
However, it is essential to note that the significance of this finding relies on the accuracy and reliability of the blood sample analysis and the interpretation of the results. Further research and verification are necessary to confirm the authenticity of the Shroud and the Jerusalem earth materials in the blood samples.
I apologize for not finding an attributable source, and my warning that "AI" is far from infallible... but at least it's something around which we might start a conversation.
RE: "Shroud of Turin" research now points to Jerusalem and the time of Christ - Tecate - 08-23-2024
Well done Max! This is the kind of post that drew me to ATS in the first place.
I have read as much as I could about the subject, both fiction and non fiction, even one that purports the shroud to be the one that Jacques de Molay was wrapped in after the Templars were arrested and tortured in France.
I never bought into that one, but have always held out hope that it was the actual Shroud of the Christ.
Things of this nature seem to forever bounce back and forth between “solved and debunked “, but nonetheless I find them intriguing and realize that we may never know while here in this existence.
Tecate
RE: "Shroud of Turin" research now points to Jerusalem and the time of Christ - Maxmars - 08-23-2024
(08-23-2024, 09:18 AM)Tecate Wrote: Well done Max! This is the kind of post that drew me to ATS in the first place.
I have read as much as I could about the subject, both fiction and non fiction, even one that purports the shroud to be the one that Jacques de Molay was wrapped in after the Templars were arrested and tortured in France.
I never bought into that one, but have always held out hope that it was the actual Shroud of the Christ.
Things of this nature seem to forever bounce back and forth between “solved and debunked “, but nonetheless I find them intriguing and realize that we may never know while here in this existence.
Tecate
Thank you for posting!
This particular subject is always meaningful to me the same way as the many "Noahs' Ark" news items.
I kind of felt that material things should never be associated with faith. Believing is not a matter of "proofs and evidence." So I agree that things like the shroud or potential archeological evidence aren't really more than 'objects' of interest... but since those who lack a faith to speak of can't argue faith outside of objections to its nature, these things will always gravitate to commercial news as 'useful fluff.'
I note that even the AI response on the matter inserted doubt from the very beginning of its response... peppering the response with provisos and doubts about notional objections, rather than simply state facts reported... Because information without narrative is not 'useful' to the professional detractors...
RE: "Shroud of Turin" research now points to Jerusalem and the time of Christ - ArMaP - 08-24-2024
The closest I could find was the Institute's news on their site.
I find this part interesting:
Quote:The experimental results are compatible with the hypothesis that the TS is a 2000-year-old relic, as supposed by Christian tradition, under the condition that it was kept at suitable levels of average secular temperature—20.0–22.5 C— and correlated relative humidity—75–55%—for 13 centuries of unknown history, in addition to the seven centuries of known history in Europe.
What they analysed was the structural degradation of the linen, so their conclusion is only about the degradation time and conditions.
The part about the blood, I think, comes from here.
RE: "Shroud of Turin" research now points to Jerusalem and the time of Christ - Maxmars - 08-24-2024
Thank you so much for adding the document ...
As with most all research, so much depends on the researchers and the methodology, and analysis... and the narrative of reporting...
RE: "Shroud of Turin" research now points to Jerusalem and the time of Christ - argentus - 08-24-2024
I love Shroud of Turin info and data. I have loved it since I first read about it. Of all the woo and CT within my awareness, it seems to have the most potential for inspiring incredible changes. That and EBEs/UFOs/UAPs etc. ... ... whiiiich..... miight ..... be sorta kinda related in a way that makes some people sound like loons when they mention it. Like now.
RE: "Shroud of Turin" research now points to Jerusalem and the time of Christ - FlyersFan - 08-25-2024
I have always thought the Shroud was probably authentic.
THis is more evidence in that direction.
