(05-02-2024, 04:10 AM)Notran Wrote: It's called the anti-war movement.

If you were around back in the 60s and 70s or 00s you would have come across the same movement and people demonstrating against the war in various countries.

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Nearly half of the protesters arrested at the Columbia University and City College campuses during violent anti-Israel unrest weren’t students, police sources said Thursday — a day after Mayor Eric Adams warned that “outside agitators” were radicalizing youngsters.
Of the 282 protesters cuffed and hauled away during a massive NYPD operation late Tuesday, 134 of them had zero affiliation with either school, according to law enforcement sources.
Hizzoner, who has repeatedly blamed this week’s on-campus chaos on professionals with a history of fueling non-peaceful protests, also touted the initial figures, saying more than 40% of the initial arrests were “outsiders.”
“What was given to me by my team, a preliminary review of the numbers, just the beginning process of analyzing, but it appears, though, that over 40% of those who participated in Columbia and CUNY were not from the school and they were outsiders,” Adams told NPR during a media blitz.

(05-02-2024, 11:40 AM)putnam6 Wrote:  Yeah no it's not " just like the 60s and 70s"...and comparing it as such is simplistic AF and rather dismissive.

College protests weren't usurped by outside influences as much in the 60s and 70s as we are seeing now. Every Kent State protestor shot was a Kent State student, yet we continue to get reports that half of the protestors ARE NOT affiliated with the universities. For example in Georgia the very public protests at Emory University, the protests were energized by off-campus protestors of Cop City a new training facility being protested for a year or more in Atlanta. It has nothing to do with anti-war, or Palestine. Just people pissed off a plot of land in DeKalb county Ga that was being used by the homeless is being developed by the property's owners.

Elsewhere at Columbia half of those protestors arrested had no affiliation with the university. We've seen the same elsewhere like Austin UNC etc. So you are basically wrong... except the protests want to hide behind the cloak it's the same. 

Again nothing wrong perse with being organized and using outside supporters in 2024 but Im not going to pretend this is the same as the 70s when we had civil rights and multiple political assassinations at that same time. For instance at it heights in the 70s L.A there were 70,000 people protesting last night 5000 or so total LOL and some of those were those who oppose the protests. Something virtually nonexistent in the 70s. 

The majority of Americans support Israel 2024. By the late 60s, US public support for the Vietnam war had already started to wane 

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https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/

https://nypost.com/2024/05/02/us-news/nearly-half-of-anti-israel-protesters-arrested-at-columbia-city-college-werent-students/

(05-02-2024, 10:01 AM)Notran Wrote: The students haven't killed anyone , it's the IDF that has killed too many civilians 

(05-02-2024, 12:18 PM)Notran Wrote: I didn't say the protests are the same as they were back in the 60s and the 70s but will become very much like they were at that time if the Israeli Army keeps killing innocent civilians. Everywhere else in the world there are similar protests and it doesn't matter if not all participants aren't students, it shows the anti-war movement is supported by students and non-students. Israel has lost most of the support because of the killings of civilians and I don't think the majority of Americans or Australians (put whatever ethnicity you want) support Israel when they are killing women and children in their thousands. Anti-war movements are very powerful and students can bring down governments and regimes.

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Americans overwhelmingly back Israel over Hamas in new poll

• Younger registered voters are more likely to say they support Hamas in the war
  
• Vast majority overall believes Hamas should be removed from Gaza
  
• Poll finds majority believe Hamas is to blame for the crisis in Gaza
  
• READ MORE: Pro-Palestinian protests take place on campuses across the U.S.
  

A new poll shows the vast majority of Americans support Israel in its war against Hamas over the militant group despite the pro-Palestinian protests erupting across the United States. 

 
The Harvard CAPS-Harris survey found 80 percent of registered voters support Israel more in the war while only 20 percent say they support Hamas more.
The results break down more among age groups with older voters more likely to be supportive of Israel than younger Americans.
The poll findings are similar to what they were last month when 79 percent said they support Israel more. 
Among younger Americans, 64 percent of those ages 25 to 34 said they support Israel more while  57 percent of those ages 18 to 24 said they support Israel more while the rest support Hamas more.

https://x.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1786107689036021980[img]data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABCAQAAAC1HAwCAAAAC0lEQVR42mNkYAAAAAYAAjCB0C8AAAAASUVORK5CYII=[/img] 

#BREAKING:

Based on a preliminary analysis by the NYPD, 102 of the 170 rioters arrested at@CityCollegeNY
on Tuesday night were not affiliated with the university. These #HamasOnCampus riots and terror encampments are being orchestrated and/or inflamed by outside agitators.

(05-02-2024, 09:26 AM)Notran Wrote: You know that's not true and most students want the end of the war. Besides, it's not only Columbia University students who are demonstrating, there are protests all over the world.

Same thing happened in the 60s and 70s, whoever demonstrated against the war was a communist, antipatriot, antiamerican. Same rhetoric 60 years after but everyone wants the war to end. Too many civilians have lost their lives and even John Kirby the White House Security Communications adviser admitted it a few days ago.

(05-02-2024, 01:13 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: - The protestors ARE threatening the lives of the Jewish students.  That's not the way people who claim to be just 'anti war' behave.  

- It's not the IDF that is killing civilians, it's Hamas and the 'palestinians' that are getting civilians killed in Gaza.  They attacked a country that could attack back, and then ran and hid behind 'civilians'.   So it's Hamas/'palestinians' fault.  And if they give back the hostages and lay down arms .. then no one would be killed.  again .. Hamas/'Palestinians' fault.  Israel has a right to self defense.  If Hamas and the 'palestinians' cared about civilians, they wouldn't have hit Israel and then hid behind civilians.  They obviously don't care about civilians, so why should anyone else?  And then there is the fact that the 'palestinians' support Hamas and it's genocide mission .. a whole other discussion.

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Stanford Deeply Disturbing Photo of AntiIsrael Protestor Wearing Hamas Headband

Yeah ... just 'anti war' protestors.  Sure.   Pfffft.
Useful idiots in the protests shouting 'we are hamas',
and wearing the Hamas clothing.  They support 
Hamas.  And no .. Hamas isn't 'anti war'.  They are
anti-Jew and want to destroy Israel. 

Protests are just 'anti-war' my backend.

(05-02-2024, 03:17 PM)putnam6 Wrote:  
What exactly about the overwhelming support for Israel in the US do you not understand?

UCLA has about 46,000 students less than 5000 people participated last night, and not all of those were students. Wereas in the 70s the protests didn't need outside agitation, it was home grown 100% organic students movement, and it mirrored the sentiment of the GP.

Nothing about these college protests does that, it goes the opposite of public perception.

As for the civilian deaths in Gaza, they are about as many as we are seeing in Sudan? crickets for Sudan, noise for Gaza why is that? 

Plenty of signs the Palestinian cause failed catch on, it's certainly not at the level of the Floyd protests. Israel is preparing for Rafah it's going to happen regardless, somebody has to get rid of Hamas there is no justification for backing Hamas in any way shape or form. It would be akin to negotiating with Hitler and letting him stay in power after Normandy. 


https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1786119117000298652

(05-02-2024, 04:32 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: They protested the draft.

(05-02-2024, 03:17 PM)putnam6 Wrote:  
What exactly about the overwhelming support for Israel in the US do you not understand?

UCLA has about 46,000 students less than 5000 people participated last night, and not all of those were students. Wereas in the 70s the protests didn't need outside agitation, it was home grown 100% organic students movement, and it mirrored the sentiment of the GP.

Nothing about these college protests does that, it goes the opposite of public perception.

As for the civilian deaths in Gaza, they are about as many as we are seeing in Sudan? crickets for Sudan, noise for Gaza why is that? 

Plenty of signs the Palestinian cause failed catch on, it's certainly not at the level of the Floyd protests. Israel is preparing for Rafah it's going to happen regardless, somebody has to get rid of Hamas there is no justification for backing Hamas in any way shape or form. It would be akin to negotiating with Hitler and letting him stay in power after Normandy. 


https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1786119117000298652

(05-03-2024, 06:29 AM)Notran Wrote: There is some confusion of who is doing what but let me remind you it's not the students who are killing civilians at an alarming rate but the IDF in Gaza. US officials have admitted it already and I see you ignored my earlier post. John Kirby the White House Security Communications adviser said so a few days ago verifying that Israel is committing crimes against civilians. The number of dead civilians are on the tens of thousands and Israel is trying to hide the evidence but it's an impossible task.

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There is no overwhelming support for the killings of thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza, actually there is no support for this task anywhere in the world, the main reason Israel has been isolated from the rest of the world. The condemnations are a daily occurrence against the practice of mass killings in Gaza. I don't know how did you come up with the conclusion people support Israel. Nobody supports Israel when they are killing women and children.

The anti-war movement is very powerful and it doesn't include only students but students have the free will and moral obligation to protest against this massacre in Gaza. Likewise many more students and anti war protesters protest all over the world and demand and end and what is coming for the Israeli officials and military personnel , unless someone thinks they will get away with mass murder and ethnic cleansing.

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And many more after the US soldiers started killing innocent civilians and getting killed themselves by the Vietnamese.

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I appreciate your long post and the information posted but we need to be truthful to ourselves. Nobody supports crimes and mass killings from whatever side they come from and in the Gaza war the IDF has killed many more innocent civilians than Hamas. I don't try to make comparisons between who is the most lethal but crimes against humanity and war crimes have been commited by both sides. Israel has been condemned so many times I have lost count how many countries have turned against them. University students know this and everyone else knows it, unless you are really one sided.

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Some students have been arrested but most have been released. I wonder if the cops understand what is going on and if they agree to with arresting students and agree with what's happening in the middle east. I am sure some of them will probably hold the same views as the protests.

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Over 14,000 people have been killed and tens of thousands wounded, half the country’s population – 25 million people – need lifesaving assistance and more than 8.6 million people have been forced to flee their homes, including 1.8 million refugees.
Widespread atrocities“Allegations of atrocities abound,” she said, citing reports of widespread use of sexual violence as a weapon of war, of the recruitment of children by parties to the conflict and of extensive use of torture and prolonged arbitrary detention by both parties.

Quote:Several issues were at stake in 1968For many Columbia students in 1968, their protest was motivated by anger over the Vietnam War — and changes to the military draft that were chipping away at students' deferments, particularly in graduate schools. Just as DBCowboy pointed out
 
The radical group Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) also opposed Columbia's links to the Institute for Defense Analyses — a think tank researching and analyzing weapons and strategies to use in Vietnam. They also wanted the CIA and military services barred from on-campus recruiting.

But others, especially the Society of Afro-American Students (SAS), were also upset that Columbia University was moving ahead with plans to take over part of a public park in Harlem, to build a gym that critics said would give only limited and second-class access to the local community.
 "They were building it in Morningside Park, one of the few green spaces in Harlem," former Columbia student and current SUNY law professor Eleanor Stein told NPR's Michel Martin. "And we felt that it couldn't be business as usual, that the university itself was engaging in an indefensible takeover of Harlem land and an indefensible participation and complicity with the Vietnam War effort."
White and Black students coordinated a protest against the gym — and then hundreds of students moved from there to take over office and classroom buildings, enforcing a strike against the school.

https://x.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1786452479187517478

 All the while we continue to hear evidence of outside and foreign influence in the 2024 protests, another element missing from the 60s and 70s college protests 

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(05-03-2024, 06:29 AM)Notran Wrote: There is some confusion of who is doing what but let me remind you it's not the students who are killing civilians at an alarming rate but the IDF in Gaza. 

(05-02-2024, 10:01 AM)Notran Wrote: Good try but you can't generalise for the vast majority of students who just want the end of the war and you can't dismiss the anti-war movement. It can't be dismissed, it has its own dynamic and always had its own dynamic.The students haven't killed anyone , it's the IDF that has killed too many civilians and even the US Government recognises it as a fact.