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RE: Trump shot? - KKLoco - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 05:35 PM)Blaine91555 Wrote: I don't see any way to say that's him for sure. The image is so bad it's not possible. It could be anyone of his general size. Unless you're looking at a high quality version other than the one I viewed?
If it is real it will end up in the mainstream news. No way around that. They won't hide it. No reason for either side to hide it. In fact it is telling that it's not already mainstream. Lots of people posting lots of garbage and making lots of false claims right now. Let the dust settle.
Is this more evidence for you?
https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1812340071825088774
RE: Trump shot? - VulcanWerks - 07-15-2024
Worth adding to the conversation:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/alleged-trump-shooter-spotted-by-law-enforcement-nearly-30-minutes-before-shots-fired-sources-say/Q6GIK5RP6RBY5PHIMYBNXRTEBI/
As more detail emerge the mosaic will become more clear.
My thoughts to this point:
The shooter apparently was easily visible. Video evidence.
The police were notified about the potential shooter before shots were fired.
We know snipers took him out without seconds of him pulling the trigger.
We know one law enforcement officer was on the roof with the shooter and retreated.
The shooter was relatively close.
The shot would have been harder than people make it out to sound under the circumstances.
The secret service response was odd like they didn’t know what’s going on. In fact they are heard on audio trying to figure out what’s happening.
The SS has responsibility for the venue.
They work with local LEOs.
To my last understanding, the snipers were local LEOs.
The area the shot came from was outside the SS perimeter - falling to the responsibility of the local LEOs.
The snipers didn’t shoot first and there are ways I can rationalize that in the context of a rally.
The shooters car was packed with explosives. It should be relatively easy to trace where that came from.
The local LEOs avoided people warning them of a threat.
The local LEO retreated off the roof.
The shooter got several rounds off.
The snipers reacted somewhat quickly but had not identified this spot as an area of concern.
Other reports indicate that this point was raised as an area of concern and was ignored.
Incompetence, poor communication, crowd control, lack of focus, hyper focus, too little support, strict orders - something to simple as the SS told them to do XYZ and those very protocols stopped them from responding - they’re part of a larger security plan. All rational.
The shooter appears to be anti Trump. Appeared in BlackRock commercial.
Getting to the bottom of things regarding the shooter is going to be muddy at best.
I think the real answer to what went on lies with the local LEOs and the snipers in particular. Figuring out who they are, what department they’re from, etc. is the first breadcrum.
A random perspective in closing:
Sometimes I flip perspectives back and forth to understand something more throughly.
The shooter had to know this was a suicide mission… or did they? If this shooting was all part of some grand conspiracy the shooter would probably have to believe they would survive unless he was totally and completely radicalized.
So he’s either off the charts martyr left, or, he thinks he’ll live and be a hero of the left. He slayed the dragon. I bet that sells a lot better than dying a martyr if I’m this shooter from what we know about him.
If I’m the shooter then I pick promote 2 - the glory I’ve never had. He receives assurances and lies - but he’s too deep to get out that they’ll kill him but that’s not his concern - he is going to make history. That gives the shooter the support and drive - he’s saving democracy or something.
That gets him on the roof and shots fired - despite being a dead man the moment he went there. Eliminate the problem there.
Makes for a decent movie plot but I don’t think that lines up with the rest of the facts we know to be true.
If there’s any grand conspiracy the path to understanding is the police snipers or who ignored where the shooter shot from as an area of concern.
The shooter was probably brainwashed into thinking one thing but reality was very different.
RE: Trump shot? - FlyingClayDisk - 07-16-2024
(07-15-2024, 11:22 PM)KKLoco Wrote: Is this more evidence for you?
https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1812340071825088774
VERY Interesting!!! Hmmmmm...So someone at the event actually knew the shooter! Wow! That's big...possibly even HUGE! The woman sounds both puzzled as well as distraught. She yells..."CROOKS!...What are you DOING???"...numerous times, sometimes sobbing near the end (as if she knows what has just happened). A half-serious accomplice maybe? Someone who talked smack but didn't intend to act out, and then was shocked when one of her radical associates really DID act on their radical intentions?? Wow...this woman needs to be located, and located quickly! What does she know? Who is she, and what are her affiliations? This is critically important!
This suggests a couple things to me. First, it would seem to suggest that the firearm was staged before the event, else she would have known exactly what he was doing. The shooter would have been detained within minutes of arriving at the venue if observed carrying a rifle. Second, the shooting was premeditated and carefully planned in advance of the event.
RE: Trump shot? - ArMaP - 07-16-2024
(07-15-2024, 11:33 PM)VulcanWerks Wrote: Worth adding to the conversation:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/alleged-trump-shooter-spotted-by-law-enforcement-nearly-30-minutes-before-shots-fired-sources-say/Q6GIK5RP6RBY5PHIMYBNXRTEBI/
Your link is not accessible outside the US.
Quote:The shooter appears to be anti Trump. Appeared in BlackRock commercial.
What is BlackRock? Why is it relevant?
Quote:So he’s either off the charts martyr left, or, he thinks he’ll live and be a hero of the left. He slayed the dragon. I bet that sells a lot better than dying a martyr if I’m this shooter from what we know about him.
Or he was already suicidal and decided to "kill two birds with a stone" (no pun intended).
RE: Trump shot? - FlyingClayDisk - 07-16-2024
(07-15-2024, 11:33 PM)VulcanWerks Wrote:
A couple of comments to some of your statements...
Quote:We know one law enforcement officer was on the roof with the shooter and retreated
From everything I've seen, the LEO never managed to get "on" the roof. In the video showing him he was attempting to stand on top of another LEO's shoulders and then climb up on the roof. Something (presumably the shooter) caused him to duck, and when he did he fell backwards off the other LEO's shoulders to the ground. The shooter then fired immediately after this point.
Quote:To my last understanding, the snipers were local LEOs.
There were (4) counter-sniper teams on site. (2) of these teams were SS, and (2) of them were local LEO's. It would appear that the local LEO counter-sniper team neutralized the shooter, although this has not been confirmed (that I have seen).
Quote:I think the real answer to what went on lies with the local LEOs and the snipers in particular. Figuring out who they are, what department they’re from, etc. is the first breadcrum.
From a protocol perspective, the Secret Service was in charge (absolutely). Regardless of any resources provided by local law enforcement, the SS has ultimate control. Period. If you've ever worked with the SS, there is no doubt about this. They do not defer to anyone. Therefore, the SS has FULL responsibility to control everything about the event, and this includes knowing where their resources are posted, and more importantly where they are NOT. The responsibility for this event rests 100% squarely with the SS. The SS should have known in less than one second who was on the roof and if they were authorized to be there, no exceptions. This blame cannot be shifted to local law enforcement; they are simply not qualified for an event like this. They may be competent shooters, but they are not qualified to oversee an event such as this. This is 100% on the SS.
RE: Trump shot? - VulcanWerks - 07-16-2024
Worth adding to the conversation:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/alleged-trump-shooter-spotted-by-law-enforcement-nearly-30-minutes-before-shots-fired-sources-say/Q6GIK5RP6RBY5PHIMYBNXRTEBI/
As more detail emerge the mosaic will become more clear.
My thoughts to this point:
The shooter apparently was easily visible. Video evidence.
The police were notified about the potential shooter before shots were fired.
We know snipers took him out without seconds of him pulling the trigger.
We know one law enforcement officer was on the roof with the shooter and retreated.
The shooter was relatively close.
The shot would have been harder than people make it out to sound under the circumstances.
The secret service response was odd like they didn’t know what’s going on. In fact they are heard on audio trying to figure out what’s happening.
The SS has responsibility for the venue.
They work with local LEOs.
To my last understanding, the snipers were local LEOs.
The area the shot came from was outside the SS perimeter - falling to the responsibility of the local LEOs.
The snipers didn’t shoot first and there are ways I can rationalize that in the context of a rally.
The shooters car was packed with explosives. It should be relatively easy to trace where that came from.
The local LEOs avoided people warning them of a threat.
The local LEO retreated off the roof.
The shooter got several rounds off.
The snipers reacted somewhat quickly but had not identified this spot as an area of concern.
Other reports indicate that this point was raised as an area of concern and was ignored.
Incompetence, poor communication, crowd control, lack of focus, hyper focus, too little support, strict orders - something to simple as the SS told them to do XYZ and those very protocols stopped them from responding - they’re part of a larger security plan. All rational.
The shooter appears to be anti Trump. Appeared in BlackRock commercial.
Getting to the bottom of things regarding the shooter is going to be muddy at best.
I think the real answer to what went on lies with the local LEOs and the snipers in particular. Figuring out who they are, what department they’re from, etc. is the first breadcrum.
A random perspective in closing:
Sometimes I flip perspectives back and forth to understand something more throughly.
The shooter had to know this was a suicide mission… or did they? If this shooting was all part of some grand conspiracy the shooter would probably have to believe they would survive unless he was totally and completely radicalized.
So he’s either off the charts martyr left, or, he thinks he’ll live and be a hero of the left. He slayed the dragon. I bet that sells a lot better than dying a martyr if I’m this shooter from what we know about him.
If I’m the shooter then I pick promote 2 - the glory I’ve never had. He receives assurances and lies - but he’s too deep to get out that they’ll kill him but that’s not his concern - he is going to make history. That gives the shooter the support and drive - he’s saving democracy or something.
That gets him on the roof and shots fired - despite being a dead man the moment he went there. Eliminate the problem there.
Makes for a decent movie plot but I don’t think that lines up with the rest of the facts we know to be true.
If there’s any grand conspiracy the path to understanding is the police snipers or who ignored where the shooter shot from as an area of concern.
The shooter was probably brainwashed into thinking one thing but reality was very different.
RE: Trump shot? - ArMaP - 07-16-2024
(07-16-2024, 07:46 AM)VulcanWerks Wrote: Worth adding to the conversation:
But not twice.
RE: Trump shot? - Waterglass - 07-16-2024
I have heard from two [2] former West Wing Secret Service Presidential Detail Special Agents. One is on MSM, Dan Bongino and the other is my POC [Point of Contact] both men are saying the same thing.
I watched the Dan Bongino video. I don’t know him personally. The other Secret Service Special Agent I have known for decades.
Based on past Secret Service 101 protocol a law enforcement SUV should have been parked adjacent to the building from which the shooter shot and occupied by law enforcement.
None were present.
I also know several retired FBI Special Agents along with one’s wife who also worked at FBI Headquarters in Washington, DC. They all don’t care much for Director Wray of the FBI. Nor, do they care as to where the USA is heading. They sense something is amiss.
I need to go into town today and will stop by their store to discuss the above. I will report back on their take on all of this on DI.
So just who am I? Just a guy with a Top Secret Security Clearance ~ DOD. A USA federal Registered Source. Waterglass was my FED Code name. I also have an alphanumeric Code for all Special Agent notes including federal court documents, search warrants, et al so even a federal judge can’t expose me.
RE: Trump shot? - FlyingClayDisk - 07-16-2024
(07-15-2024, 11:22 PM)KKLoco Wrote: Is this more evidence for you?
https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1812340071825088774
The more I listen to this, it sounds like there is not only the woman screaming his name, but several other people too. They're not as loud as the woman screaming, but they're all saying the same thing "CROOKS...get over here!! What are you DOING???"
So where is "here"? Is this 'back to a group of people' who are gathered in a certain area? Maybe some protest group?
Who are these people who seem to know the shooter? The person who shot this video needs to be asked who these people were and to identify them. Then, the woman and any others with Crooks need to be identified, located and questioned...like RIGHT NOW!!
RE: Trump shot? - StevieRay - 07-16-2024
They watched the shooter wander around and get on the roof, and crawl around the roof. They then waited about a half hour letting him get set up and take his best shot. Then they had to kill him a la Oswald / Ruby, whether he got Trump or not.
And they don’t care that we all saw it.
The SS director takes “full responsibility” but she ain’t going anywhere. She will be rewarded richly, in some fashion.
So basically a rerun of JFK, RFK, MLK, Reagan. Hinkley’s family was close friends with the Bushes. They probably offered their son’s services to GHWB, who was probably involved in the other 3 killings. Hell, they probably sent Chapman to get Lennon, just because he annoyed them so much and they simply hated him.
